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Kaboly: Camp winners and losers

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by Blast Furnace, Jun 17, 2024.

  1. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Wrong. When arguing that Trubisky was the better QB than Rudolph you always say who cares what he did in Chicago, it’s only what he’s done with the Steelers that matters. But when using the most recent seasons to compare ball security between Wilson and Fields you suddenly want to include Fields entire career because that fits your agenda. Focusing on just last season shows that his ball security had improved that year.
     
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  2. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    I like Edwards and I’ve been wondering if he’s why they want to take a wait and see approach with Harris.

    If they feel he is capable next season, they’ll promote Warren to lead roll and slide Edwards into Warrens spot.
     
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  3. mikeyg

    mikeyg Well-Known Member

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    correct - hard to argue with block heads here.

    Ben (our Ben) would have been in more SB's had it not been for Brady and / or Manning. Ben was very good. Allen is very good. Similar styles, just stifled by GREATNESS in front of them.
     
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  4. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    The defense doesn't get any rest either when the offense is turning the ball over, or when the offense is going three and out. Teams are going to score when they get the ball off a turnover in good field position.
     
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  5. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    LoL. Wrong Wrong....LoL....If You can't see the difference between using one season in in a 11 year career, and Me used the only seasons of Fields (hell any season) I don't know what to tell you, and You act like Trubisky was great in Chicago LoL.....He sucked in Chicago....he just sucked worse in Pittsburgh, and Buffalo...., remember that all You Fields people that are saying its all on Chicago, and don't show me no playoffs....KFP , and Mason helped get us to a playoff last year....doesn't make them great.
    So what are You arguing really????????????
    That Trubisky was good.....that Fields didn't average one fumble a game. LoL. You don't actually know.....You are just arguing.
    This all started because I said who keeps a job with an average one fumble a game, and You put J. Allen (like I'm some J. Allen fan LoL), and still You were wrong...., and I showed the stats to prove it....so because You were wrong....now You come up with some stuff about Trubisky....so now are You arguing He was good???...LoL
    LoL
    Also Fields had 10 fumbles(not counting his ints) in 13 starts last year.....wow he really improved. LoL
     
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  6. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    And Yet Ben went to 3 SB with Brady, Rodgers, both Mannings, and Brees all who has won Sb still playing, and Allen hasn't sniffed one SB, and He only has Mahomes to really be in the way , but yeah that's comparable. LoL
     
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  7. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    Stop giving Allen excuses......Ben went to 3 SBs with Both Mannings playing, Brees, Brady, and Rodgers playing.....all who have won SBs, and many who won multiple SB.....Yet Allen can't get there just because of Mahomes. LoL. Yet He's supposed to be all that. LoL, and Yes since You didn't watch them Steve McNair started out that way,but had an injury, and after that He changed, and played more like Ben....He scrambled to throw....hell P. Manning has seasons with more rushing yards than McNair (so You really should know more about what You argue). Same with McNair....he had one year He really ran a lot after that, and before that it was scrambling to throw . There is a different.
    Now if You had watched them play, or at least did some digging You would have seen this.
    Simply.....Josh Allen has had over 100 rushing attempts every year of his career except when he didn't play the whole season His rookie year, and He had over 80 then. Steve McNair has only once had 100 rushing attempts, and never close again, and McNabb never has been close......So yeah....they didn't depend on running like Josh Allen does....., but I've told You all this before, and yet You keep going back to it.
     
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  8. Formerscribe

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    Prepare to be disappointed. I don't know why anybody would expect that sort of production from him. He's not that guy.
     
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  9. Formerscribe

    Formerscribe Well-Known Member

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    What excuses? Did you watch the loss to the Chiefs that ended their 2021 season? Josh Allen was damn near superhuman in that game and his team still managed to lose despite his dominance.
     
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  10. Formerscribe

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    There is no reason to believe Fields will elevate the rest of his game the way Allen did. Allen's coaches in Buffalo corrected a mechanical flaw. That allowed him to become more accurate. He showed positive signs in his second season and was an elite quarterback by year three.

    I haven't heard anything about a mechanical flaw with Fields and he already had his third season.
     
  11. HeinzMustard

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    :facepalm::roflmao::popcorn:

    Gotta love the offseason..........
     
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  12. Steelersfan43

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    The problem of the Bills come playoffs time is not Josh Allen....Remember this game.And I don't care the number of run of Josh Allen,since he is a much better passer that McNabb and McNair was for most of the time...2003 McNair and 2004 McNabb are maybe the only exception and I am still not sure

     
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  13. Steelersfan43

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    Probably he thinks he gave Mahomes too much time with 13 seconds left and that 2 go ahead TD in the final 2 minutes is not enough but yeah it's just excuses and not reality :rolleyes::facepalm:
     
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  14. Steelersfan43

    Steelersfan43 Well-Known Member

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    Being too stubborn in our opinion is not good....
     
  15. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    The Steelers are clearly hoping he can.
     
  16. DJ18Baller

    DJ18Baller Well-Known Member

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    I mean these are valid points but still MT is the HC and responsible for all units at the end of the day. We can argue all we want about who is most to blame for underperforming in the playoffs but there is only 1 consistent over a 13 year stretch and for some strange reason some of you will never blame him.
     
  17. S.T.D

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    Oh I forgot.....that's the only year, and playoff game He has ever play. Sorry. LoL
     
  18. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    Like I said above.....Oh I forgot he only played one season, and that one playoff game. LoL Even a blind squirrel can find a nut sometimes.
    Changing the story now Huh. LoL. First it was they were Running Qbs like Allen.....now its something else. You can't be wrong that way.....huh???Huh???? When You are wrong You just change what you were talking about. LoL
     
  19. S.T.D

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    Again forgot He only played one season.....LoL.
    So let's get this straight.....Mike Tomlin is not a good HC because He hasn't won a playoff game in a long time.....even though He has won playoff games, and SB, and been to another........Yet....YET.....Allen is great because He had one good playoff game that He lost in, and he hasn't been able to replicate before , or since. It this about correct????? Lame
     
  20. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    Sure he deserves some blame as the HC, but some fans just absolve the players of any blame :shrug:. Heyward, Watt, and Minkah all three are All-Pro level players where's the dominating performances in the playoffs?
     
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  21. METALMAN_68

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    https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/josh-allen-playoff-stats

    I suppose you could say that Allen didn't make enough plays when it mattered but a guy would have to basically go back and watch every playoff game he played in to determine that.
    Still, his playoff stats look fairly decent to me, aside from throwing 3 ints in 2022.
     
  22. METALMAN_68

    METALMAN_68 Well-Known Member

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    Kind of wanted to see what some of the Bills fans thought of Allen's play in the playoffs so here's a little light reading.
     
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  23. mikeyg

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    As has been stated here. Allen is very talented. Would have been in at least 1 SB, if NOT for a kid named Mahomes.

    He is the 3rd or 4th best QB in the conference, in a conference LOADED w talented QB's.

    remember, Denial is not just a river in Egypt

    WISH we had him.
     
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  24. Steelersfan43

    Steelersfan43 Well-Known Member

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    For me Allen is the second best QB in the NFL
     
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  25. Steelersfan43

    Steelersfan43 Well-Known Member

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    read post 122 of this thread(unless you want to ignore the fact once again)....He has also 27 total TD and 6 turnovers in his playoffs career.....But he can't control everything...This is not tennis.The only current QB better that him is Mahomes
     
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