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JuJu’s block...NFL video rulebook.

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by Lizard72, Dec 5, 2017.

  1. Lizard72

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  2. steelersrock151

    steelersrock151 Well-Known Member

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    By the looks of it, the "Peel Back" block applies to offensive linemen or behind the line of scrimmage, and wouldn't apply here. Believe what JuJu did was a crackback, aka Hines Ward Rule. And yeah, they'll call that every time.
     
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  3. HeinzMustard

    HeinzMustard Well-Known Member

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    JuJu will definitely be fined and probably suspended.
     
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  4. Lizard72

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    Will be appealed. By definition it was a clean block.

    Shoulder to front of chest.

    Did it look bad? Hell yeah it did, but it was text book legal.
     
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  5. Ben There

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    burfict the idiot2.jpg
     
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  6. pjgruden

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  7. Sojourner

    Sojourner Well-Known Member

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    The biggest problem was that he stood over top of him "Taunting" after he laid him flat. Chances are if he had just blocked him and walked away it wouldn't have even been called - but he did and so here we are. I didn't see anything on the block that should have been called except maybe some incidental a bit of helmet to helmet action.

    In the words of A.B : "Karma! It's called Karma!"

    Edit - And I loved every second of it.
     
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  8. steelersrock151

    steelersrock151 Well-Known Member

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    1.9 and 2.1 would apply. JuJu was running parallel to our goal line when he made the hit (1.9). Although contact was made first to the chest, it did contact the head, and it is the blockers responsibility for that not to happen (2.1). Loved it, but as soon as you saw it you knew the flags were going to fly. The taunting didn't help matters, either.
     
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  9. NickSteel

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    Yeah, it seems that they are considering Burfict a defenseless player here since he is moving parallel to the end line. Juju contacts him first shoulder to shoulder, but the helmets hit as well and I guess that is where the penalty lies. I definitely don't see this block as "dirty," but the taunting made it look a lot worse.
     
  10. SDOT

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    Burfict was "injured" 2 times during the game and the Bengals run him out the very next play. He did this last game as well. So either he's faking injuries to stall us or Bengals aren't doing their due diligence. Could have played in the severity of the injury. Burfict has done similar hits at least 15-20 times and injured countless people and still in the league. First offense for Juju so he should only get a fine.
     
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  11. Formerscribe

    Formerscribe Well-Known Member

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    The flag was thrown before the taunting. They just threw more flags after.
     
  12. troybellringer55

    troybellringer55 Well-Known Member

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    I think he will be fined, not suspended. Didn't help his case towering over him though. JuJu is a 1st time offender.
     
  13. pjgruden

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    I can see how it was called, because the rulebook makes a case that this could be illegal.
    I guess my question at this point is, what could JuJu have possibly done to make it a legal hit? If Burfict isn't looking, and runs into JuJu who was just standing his ground, would that still be an illegal hit? Doesn't the person who was hit have some type of responsibility to be aware of his surroundings?
     
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  14. troybellringer55

    troybellringer55 Well-Known Member

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    I think he was trying to slow down the no huddle, amazing how he get all better and was back out there in a play or two. Then gets carted off the field, and rips the straps off the board, and says he is fine. Yeah OK. If the guy was that hurt how did he push at JuJu's legs when he was towering over him.
     
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  15. steelersrock151

    steelersrock151 Well-Known Member

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    Lower your shoulder and break his ribs. Perfectly legal.
     
  16. TheSteelHurtin2188

    TheSteelHurtin2188 Well-Known Member

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    I don’t think the NFL has any grounds to suspend him. How many times have they said Burfict actions will fall under normal policy. They have backed themselves in a corner with that statement. First offense during the play the normal penalty schedule should be in place which would be a fine and not a heavy one at that.
     
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  17. Iowasteeljim

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    Legal or not that will get fined every time. I have a hard time believing they will suspend a rookie for that on his first offense, but I'm sure he will be opening up his wallet (might have to sell his bicycle)!
     
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  18. Mr F

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    As is most of the rulebook. I work in a field where I read technical documents every day. If a technical writer turned in a document written and organized so poorly as the NFL rulebook they would be rightly laughed out of the industry!
     
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  19. The Glory Days

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    It's the NFL. Most rules are ambiguous and there's no telling how it will be viewed. It's like icing in the NHL. If the ref has a shellfish allergy and was facing N-NW during the play, he'll flip a coin.

    No one knows how it will shake out until the ruling comes out.

    That being said, IT WAS BURFICT. Asshat Gruden was accurate early in the game when he was saying that Burfict hits like a truck. He's hitting you as hard as he can. He IS a truck.

    Juju HAD to hit him as hard as he could or it wouldn't have impacted him.

    Juju wasn't taunting "a player". He was standing over the guy who tries to hurt you on every play.

    And even though there was helmet to helmet contact, it wasn't a crack back. It was a legal block.

    And finally...

    BURFICT JUST GOT JUJU'D!!

    (somewhere, Hines is smiling)
     
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  20. MadtownDruankard

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    The rule is BS in this case because Burfict was in position to make a play. If ju ju doesn’t make that block burfict is going to hit Bell. If bell breaks the first tackle , Burfict would have been the only guy able to make the tackle.

    So it might have been against the new rules but it’s a BS rule . That rule was put in place to prevent crack backs on players that were basically out of the play . NFL needs to amend the rule.
     
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  21. MadtownDruankard

    MadtownDruankard Well-Known Member

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    Also it was no different then a pitcher hitting a batter to send a message. You run your mouth every play and play dirty there will be retribution. That message needed to be sent for the safety of our own players and a message to all Bengals players... we are not just going to take that BS. I was totally fine with getting that penalty. Props to JuJu for sending a message .
     
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  22. cajunyankee

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    The rules were changed when Hines nailed Rivers....

    He did his best to make a solid clean hard block....... But it was illegal.... Defenseless crack back .....

    I loved it because it took me back to old school and seeing mister nasty Burfict get his "Karma" hit was good to my soul....

    Ray D...... Time for an updated emblem/avatar

    Cajun
     
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  23. Blast Furnace

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    To simplify, I heard the only thing from keeping it legal was 6 inches.

    Needed to be lower.

    He wont be suspended but a fine is coming.

    The talk about how dirty that play was is laughable. Some dim bulb even said it was worse than the shot AB took in the endzone. No Jackass, it wasn't.
     
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  24. strummerfan

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    You’ve got the wrong rule. What you’re looking for is a crack back block. Juju’s hit was illegal and his taunting afterwards was infuriatingly stupid.

    We were just as dirty as the bengals and it has to stop.
     
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  25. strummerfan

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