Jarvis Jones- panic button time?

Who was the rookie?

 

When did DL come back as the DC? Last rookie I recall being a factor on D was Bell. I think JJ is ahead of some of our other 1st rounders on D at this point in time. Both Ziggy and Heyward were 1st rounders who did nothing their first few years.

 

Rob is right it was Bell. They keep talking about it in connection to Shaizer. I th hink wr have often discussed whether this is because it is a complex system to learn or if it is just the coaching staff playing the vets.

 

There have been a lot of good responses on here. All I'll say on the subject is how funny it is to me to see so many people calling him a "bust" already. Everyone wants rookies to play sooner in the DL defense because we are too old or too slow... Then the rookie plays like a rookie and all of the sudden they call him a scrub and want to replace him with some 36 year old man who used to be a good ball player once. Hell, people were calling Heyward a bust after two seasons just because he hadn't started yet. They hadn't even seen him play!

Just because use he got drafted high doesn't mean we should expect immediate return, or even that the team was expecting it either. Sometimes these kids are ready to go, but the majority of the time they are not. They didn't draft him to be the player he was last season, they drafted him to be the player they can turn him into down the road.

 

I don't understand all this dribble.

The coaches DECIDED Jarvis Jones got (I think) about 500-550 snaps last year as a rookie. If his failure to produce contributed to our 8-8 season is that his fault, the coaches fault (for playing him) or the GM's fault for drafting him in the first place?

I mean, that's a trick question, because it's ALL of their fault to some degree, right?

Now we are in year 2. Now he's expected to play almost 100% of snaps. If we fail to get production out of his position, who's fault is it? Is it Jones? Is it Tomlin/Lebeau? Is in Colbert?

All we have to go on is what happens. What happened in year 1 was not good. You can't spin it to me to be otherwise. Now we watch year 2.

 

The owner of the PGH Steelers Art Rooney II feels different and has said this in the past. He wants to see quicker results from his draft picks.
Why pay a man for no production? 550 snaps and 1 sack?High draft pick, other teams high draft picks are producing why do ours get a free pass?

 

Year 2 is just about to begin. Let it happen and observe,

Then, debate, deliberate, and decide.

Sheesh

 

Yeah Bell and I believe Hampton also started some , both in 2001. I believe Tim Lewis was the DC though.

 

Semantics. I think by him saying that he wants them on the field sooner the implication is certainly there that he wants them to produce quicker results.

 

Pay attention to what happens in the league. Just because a player was drafted 1st, 17th, ect. doesn't mean squat. How does one quantify, "a little better equipped" Jones showed potential of the play maker he could become in his first season. The key going forward will be to develop more consistency.

It seems that people often function under the assumption that all drafts have the same level of talent. All drafts don't have the same level of talent. It's possible that if Jones came out this year he might have been a 2nd or 3rd round pick from talent/potential perspective. In the Steelers eyes, Jones was worth the 17th pick in the draft based on the available talent in 2013 draft. Same an be said for Mike Adams. If the overall talent pool in a draft is weak, well teams can only draft what's available.

If the draft were an exact science then teams would get very few draft picks wrong. No one knows with 100% certainty how a player will transition to the NFL. Hindsight helps fans tremendously.

 

In years past our Defensive roster had players with mad talent so it was very hard for a player to get on the field . Now we have a bunch of Average Joes who need to learn the 5 D'S of Defense. Landry Jones is about as useful as a poopy flavored lolly pop.

On a serious note then a high draft pick should be able to win a starting spot early in his career .

 

it was also said of bell that he could blitz the passer well and a lot of us attribute that to success, when in fact the staff said it was what he did best but struggled at other aspects of the game.

the sack is exciting, but not the end all be all of the position. JJ plays a different position then bell did. JJ has made some positive steps towards run stopping, which is also a big part of what they need from him. it's possible to improve and still not produce all the sacks we need or will see from him in year two, but improvement in other parts of the position are just as important and steps in the right direction.

 

No I'm not kidding, Blast. Do you think Rooney wants them on the field if they're not ready to perform? Of course not. That's all I'm saying. He wants them on the field AND performing! Why is that hard to understand?

 

Yes Jack but you are attributing your feelings on his performance to what the Rooney's want and no one really knows that. Do they want him to perform and perform at a high level? Yes I would say that is a safe bet but really really don't know. THey could be happy with his progression or they could expect something more along the lines of Woodley's rookie campaign. I'm sure given the level of discussion that Tomlin has or will address where he feels Jones is as well as others. Lets face it last years defense did not have enough pieces to allow more favorable matchups for Jarvis and as I have mentioned before in this thread the guy who is holding the team hostage for ten million this year Worilds didn't exactly make a splash from the right side either.

 

I don't disagree, thorn, but I wasn't necessarily only talking about JJ here. I was talking about younger players in general, including JJ.

 

I don't have the mojo to read all 4 pages of this... Who the hell is pushing the panic button on Jarvis?? Were you watching last year? Are you watching this year?

 

Rookies only play like rookies if the coaching is poor, funny how rookies play well on some teams and play bad on others, watch how the rookies play for Belichick for example, and then watch them play here, a world of difference....

 

That's the smartest thing I've read all day. I totally see how it applies here, too.

 

like shazier and hightower? I'm voting our guy does better his first year.

 

Serious question here now that we're having the discussion. When was the last time a rookie had a significant impact for the Steelers? Every season there seems to be a handful throughout the league that do perform well but rookies seem to disappear most of the time on this team and then mysteriously reappear in season three (if at all). I suppose we could say that Mike Wallace contributed his rookie season but it was on a "run as fast as you can and Ben will throw it as far as he can" basis. My only point is that rookies and young players seem to develop more slowly, and at times regress, under the current coaching administration. Real or perceived?

 

I think it took MT a little time to get his own bearings as a coach. we are seeing a much better staff being formed recently than we had before. that is showing me a move in the right direction.