"Jarvis Jones Disappoints at Pro Day" -- Good News?

"Jarvis Jones Disappoints at Pro Day"
"Jarvis Jones Not Doing Himself Any Favors"
"Jarvis Jones Has Lackluster Pro Day"

In the mocks this guy has been fluttering between #2 and #20 over the last couple of months, bouncing up and down due to health concerns, and now, a "lackluster" pro day.

To me, out of all the pass rushers in this draft, Jones is the only one I feel comfortable taking. I think the others have too much bust potential, especially Mingo. And they aren't as NFL ready. Personally, I want to roll the dice with Worilds, but considering this is the final year of his contract, it's easy to imagine that he won't be with us next year no matter what he does in 2013. So for that reason alone I'm okay with an OLB, as long as it won't bust. I've been hoping Jones would slide so that he'd at least be an option for us. For awhile that seemed probable, and then impossible. I'm hoping this does the trick.

The details on his pro day... a 4.92 40-yard dash, 20 bench reps, and a possible tweaked hamstring. That's exactly the kind of thing that scares away the stupid teams. I think Jerry Rice ran a 4.68 or so, and he was a 4.4 guy. Jones is clearly fast on tape, and strong. My gut tells me he still won't make it out of the top 10, but my gut told me the Bengals would take David DeCastro over Kevin Zeitler, so what does my gut know. Hopefully I'm wrong again.

Mike Tomlin was in attendance.

 

that is good for us. i bet he falls to us now. i would not hesitate to pick him. jones, unlike teo who also ran slow, is great on tape

 

Just curious, TTF, where would you like to see us go in round 1, ideally?

 

brandon jenkins didn't wow them either at his pro day. he ran in the 4.9 range too. maybe the foot isn't healed yet.

i see the steelers interested in the 6-2 250lb OLB types. lemonier,stansly maponga, jarvis jones instead of the bigger pass rushers. trouble is these guys are not big in number in the draft.

DLB said he wants a safety early. i still think they go that way.

i'm still leaning towards washington from georgia as the pass rushing OLB i want.

 

These days it's hard to get 2 or 3 contracts out of a guy no matter how good and healthy he is.

He doesn't need to be a stud in coverage, he just needs to be athletic and not an idiot. I think he passes that test.

 

If the Steelers dont go WR in the first they will go S

 

I think there's a really good chance that there will not be appropriate value for either of those positions when we pick. And they're not about to reach.

 

there is talk about us being interested in dumervil. do we still take jones at 1 if we sign him?

 

Agreed, ....but just like we moved up to get Troy, i think we will move back to get either one of these positions..

 

DLB said he wants a safety early. do you pick the 1st or 2nd best safety or wr, or the 3rd,or 4th or later OLB? it just depends who the first 16 take. if you wait until pick 48, we could end up with missing someone else then. i wouldn't rule vaccaro or elam out at 17 or woods or hunter, or jarvis jones for that matter. it depends how the team values these guys not the draft boards. is it a reach if he starts for the next 10 years? a good safety would be a very solid pick this year to solidify the defensive backfield this year. heck i wouldn't rule out a CB this year if the plan is too replace ike by next year either.

 

If we're comfortable with his health, I'd be happy if the Steelers drafted him at 17. I still don't think he'll make it to us though.

 

That's my dark horse position. They could take one at #17 or trade back and take one. You're right, even if they tie up Cortez long term, so far we can't count on Curtis Brown, and we all know what Gay offers. We'll need another one assuming Ike is forced out soon. The safeties, I'm not so sure. Maybe Vaccaro at #17, but he could be gone, and I don't see trading up for him. You can't trade back for him because he won't make it. If you trade back for one of the others, will they provide value at our new spot? Most don't have them carrying a 1st round grade, so could still be a reach. Seems like things have to fall just right for us to land a safety in the first.

 

If he is there at #17 and we don't take him it will be very disappointing. He is the best FOOTBALL PLAYER in this draft. Everything else outside of football (spinal stenosis diagnosis, 40 times, bad drills, ect...) dragged his stock down. All i know is he dominated in the SEC and to do that you must be a great player.

Although, I could see us passing on him and trying to get a later round devleopment OLB and going with Worilds for now.

 

i'd rule out QB,DE,RB,OT,C,ILB,OG,NT,TE,FB in the 1st.

QB, well just not going to happen.
DE, we have drafted the last two in the 1st.
RB, i don't think there's one in the draft good enough for a 1st round grade.
OT, wouldn't say no to lane johnson but i highly doubt it.
C, just no.
ILB, i don't think any of them rate this high of a selection.
OG, with the re-signing of foster, i don't think we go for one this high.
NT, i think we will be fine out of mclendon,ta'amu, and fangupo. that is 3 good prospects we have.
TE, we wait on heath to play with spaeth,paulson,DJ,pianalto,mccoy.
FB, i love willj. no change there.

that leaves: FS,SS,CB,WR,OLB

FS,clark has 1 year remaining. he is up in age but played well. golden behind him.
SS, troy, near the end of his career, but still plays well. health is a big issue. cromartie-smith behind him.
CB, we will be alright this year without injuries. ike could be in his last year with a 7 mil. cap hit next year. allen would move to his #1 spot then we would need a starter at the #2 spot by then.
WR, we have brown as the high paid guy. sanders 1 year left, along with cotchery and buress with a year left.
OLB, we have a 2nd rounder ready to step in but only signed for 1 year and another 2nd rounder on the other side that can't stay healthy. a 3rd year guy behind them and a 2nd year guy behind him.

i say our #1 will come at one of these positions. i'd have to say 4 of these spots will be drafted and RB and ILB will come into the mix too after rd.1 to find new starters. it's the defenses turn to go first, so it comes down to OLB,S,CB. one of these spots get the 1st pick. scratch who they have on the boards at the other positions. who's the highest ranked guy at one of these spots when we pick is the question. that's my thinking on it anyway.

 

Nice breakdown, mac. There are OLBs, S, and CBs in this draft worth the #17 pick, but I think there's a chance none of them will be around. I don't doubt that one of the six pass rushers will make it, but I kind of doubt that the Steelers have all six of them rated high enough to take at #17. Surely they don't have all of them at #17 or higher on their big board, and we know they don't reach. This is the first draft I can remember where I can really, really see them trading down. And depending on who's left, I kind of want to. It's definitely the first time for that. Normally I'm all about one or two guys guy that I am desperately hoping will fall to us or would totally trade up for (DeCastro, Mike Pouncey, Maurkice Pouncey, Mike Iupati, Alex Mack, Brandon Albert, Ryan Kalil in the 2nd, Nick Mangold... hmm, I'm noticing a pattern). But this year, not only do we have so many needs that it's hard to pick a priority, but I'm more weary than sold on the players hovering around #17, and I kind of like the late 1st-2nd round guys. I think trading down could get us safer players, and more of them too.

 

we know more about these NT's then a draft pick coming in fresh, i would think. wouldn't they be just as much of a unproven entity? what i do like about what we have at NT is amongst the 3 all of them have played DE also in a 3-4, which makes them versitile. i'm thinking we keep them all and have a rotation of them as the 4th or 5th DE freeing up a spot to add an extra pass rush specialist. maybe like a mingo type player. it would make sense.

 

I agree in that I don't support it but I think a case can be made, but only if you trade down first.

 

i think alot of teams feel that way about this draft.

i think there was way too much emphasis put on these DE/OLB that it got really top heavy with potential moreso then actual results. teams may not feel alot of these guys deserve that high of picks with the boom or bust potential attached. it may adjust itself come draft day.

teams may see more guys from other positions raise up the boards as safer bets by draft time. we have seen some of this happening throughout. the montgomery's and okafor's and mingo's are settling in where they probably should be. to be honest there are alot of good O-linemen in this draft. it would be a good year to stock up on some.

i really don't see too many top dog can't miss guys anywhere in this draft. is it because more guys are coming out early?