It's not Ben and the offense!

No problemo.
:hello:

I agree with the topic though. Its not the offense. Nor was it the offense last year either.

Im just sitting back and watching at how myopic people can be, and making an observation about it.

I have yet to bring up "his" name, nor will I. In fact Ive stated my piece here and Im done. Carry on.

 

We are 16th in points scored per game, right in the middle of all NFL teams.
We are 13th in points allowed per game, right in the middle of all NFL teams.
Seems like the offense and defense are equally responsible for the .500 winning percentage.

RGIII is a better MVP candidate than Roethlisberger right now, he may throw for 3500 yards and rush for 1000 this year, has a QB rating over 100 and leads the NFL with YD/A of 8.5.

 

Where the hell did I discredit Ben? Take your blinders off. I'm honest and objective, you are being neither in this thread. Ben is not in the MVP running and I posted the stats to back that claim. Not only are we a .500 team, but we're also 17th in points for per game. That alone would remove Ben from MVP running unless he had the most TD's and passing yards. He's 5th in yards for, and 10th in TD passes. There is no way in hell any QB will win the MVP award if he is 10th in TD passes and 5th in yards per game. Not only will the QB's above him in the stats department get voted in as MVP before him, but so will the top RB's and WR's. I have not discredited Ben once, in fact, I just made a thread a week ago talking about how he's having a career year. Simply put, if you actually take your blinders off and look at the stats, Ben is not in the MVP conversation. Stats do not lie, and stats are all that matters when we're talking MVP.

So if Ben keeps his current pace up, he has a 0 percent chance of winning MVP. If he starts throwing for more yards per game and much more TD's, then perhaps he will be in the conversation by the end of the year. There's no chance in hell they will give him the MVP with a little asterisk that says "Was actually the 7th best QB, but his WR's dropped a lot of balls, so we're giving him the MVP."

We can sit here and talk about how he's played at an MVP level and his WR's have let him down, but that's completely irrelevant and will not be taken into consideration whatsoever when voting for MVP. He either has the stats or he doesn't, and right now, he doesn't. Depending on how you view it, he's at best the 5th rated QB, and at worst the 10th rated QB. Either way, that is not good enough to be MVP. TD's and yards carry the most weight, not passing rating, not completing percentage, and not INT's, although those of course do get factored in. But if he is 10th in TD's thrown at the end of the year, you will not hear his name mentioned for MVP by anybody.[/quote:1re7hi7v]

I don't have blinders on Shaner, I'm just well aware of your hatred for Ben and can't take you seriously on a topic that involves him, I just saw you make a thread about how you can't wait till he's off the team and that we will find a replacement no problem, how is that not discrediting him, implying that it would be so easy to replace him. How is saying he doesn't even warrant being in the conversation for MVP not discrediting him? I never said he would win MVP if one had to be chosen today, I said he is in the conversation but by your logic, no one is in the conversation except for the QB that holds the best stats at that very moment. By the way, just because you choose to decide what stats are important and which ones aren't doesn't make it so, 3 interceptions and a 98.6 rating are considered too, sorry if you don't like that.[/quote:1re7hi7v]

im sure when Bradshaw retired most Steeler fans didnt think it would take 25 years to finally get another qb that would win them a super bowl.

cautionary tale. some people should be careful of what they wish for.

 

I don't have blinders on Shaner, I'm just well aware of your hatred for Ben and can't take you seriously on a topic that involves him, I just saw you make a thread about how you can't wait till he's off the team and that we will find a replacement no problem, how is that not discrediting him, implying that it would be so easy to replace him. How is saying he doesn't even warrant being in the conversation for MVP not discrediting him? I never said he would win MVP if one had to be chosen today, I said he is in the conversation but by your logic, no one is in the conversation except for the QB that holds the best stats at that very moment. By the way, just because you choose to decide what stats are important and which ones aren't doesn't make it so, 3 interceptions and a 98.6 rating are considered too, sorry if you don't like that.[/quote:39v0bw2n]

im sure when Bradshaw retired most Steeler fans didnt think it would take 25 years to finally get another qb that would win them a super bowl.

cautionary tale. some people should be careful of what they wish for.[/quote:39v0bw2n]

In a league with 32 teams, 25 years is not a long time to wait to finally win another super bowl. I heard a Ryan Clark interview today and straight out said Steelers fans are spoiled by the success of the players.

 

Honestly I was shocked to see that the defense's overall stats ranked higher than the offense's stats. This is an offensive league. Lots of offenses putting up lots of points with no defense at all. Just what Goodell wanted. Thanks to the Texans stomping the Rats, the Steelers have given up less points per game than the Ravens. But here is a surprise to me, even the Browns have scored more points than the Steelers. Granted that is with 7 games compared to 6, but it's the Browns...they suck.

 

Where the hell did I discredit Ben? Take your blinders off. I'm honest and objective, you are being neither in this thread. Ben is not in the MVP running and I posted the stats to back that claim. Not only are we a .500 team, but we're also 17th in points for per game. That alone would remove Ben from MVP running unless he had the most TD's and passing yards. He's 5th in yards for, and 10th in TD passes. There is no way in hell any QB will win the MVP award if he is 10th in TD passes and 5th in yards per game. Not only will the QB's above him in the stats department get voted in as MVP before him, but so will the top RB's and WR's. I have not discredited Ben once, in fact, I just made a thread a week ago talking about how he's having a career year. Simply put, if you actually take your blinders off and look at the stats, Ben is not in the MVP conversation. Stats do not lie, and stats are all that matters when we're talking MVP.

So if Ben keeps his current pace up, he has a 0 percent chance of winning MVP. If he starts throwing for more yards per game and much more TD's, then perhaps he will be in the conversation by the end of the year. There's no chance in hell they will give him the MVP with a little asterisk that says "Was actually the 7th best QB, but his WR's dropped a lot of balls, so we're giving him the MVP."

We can sit here and talk about how he's played at an MVP level and his WR's have let him down, but that's completely irrelevant and will not be taken into consideration whatsoever when voting for MVP. He either has the stats or he doesn't, and right now, he doesn't. Depending on how you view it, he's at best the 5th rated QB, and at worst the 10th rated QB. Either way, that is not good enough to be MVP. TD's and yards carry the most weight, not passing rating, not completing percentage, and not INT's, although those of course do get factored in. But if he is 10th in TD's thrown at the end of the year, you will not hear his name mentioned for MVP by anybody.[/quote:1hgmu22e]

I don't have blinders on Shaner, I'm just well aware of your hatred for Ben and can't take you seriously on a topic that involves him, I just saw you make a thread about how you can't wait till he's off the team and that we will find a replacement no problem, how is that not discrediting him, implying that it would be so easy to replace him. How is saying he doesn't even warrant being in the conversation for MVP not discrediting him? I never said he would win MVP if one had to be chosen today, I said he is in the conversation but by your logic, no one is in the conversation except for the QB that holds the best stats at that very moment. By the way, just because you choose to decide what stats are important and which ones aren't doesn't make it so, 3 interceptions and a 98.6 rating are considered too, sorry if you don't like that.[/quote:1hgmu22e]

I meant I didn't discredit Ben in this thread, nor have I discredited what he has done on the field this year. Other than him making a few bad throws, he's been very, very good and I have stated so many times. I also said that INT's and QB rating is taken into consideration, but the two sexy stats, TD passes and yards, are the ones that win MVP awards. I'm sure we can agree on that. What was Brees QB rating last year? I bet not even Drew Brees knows, but I bet he and millions of other people know roughly how many yards he threw for. Same with Rodgers and his TD passes. I'm sure we can agree that those are the two most important stats. If Ben finishes first in QB rating, completion percentage, fewest INT's and best 3rd down completion percentage, but finishes 7th in yards and TD passes, I would bet everything I have that he wouldn't win MVP or even serious be talked about for MVP.

I mean I guess you could argue that the 7th best QB is in the conversation for MVP, since that's completely subjective and there is no specific line for who is and isn't in the MVP talk. I don't see it though and it has nothing to do with my hatred for Ben the person.

I stand by what I said. Ben may be in the MVP conversation at the end of the year, but only if he is picks up the pace for yards and TD passes. If he finishes 5th and 10th respectively, I don't think anyone outside of this board will ever mention his name for MVP.

 

I don't have blinders on Shaner, I'm just well aware of your hatred for Ben and can't take you seriously on a topic that involves him, I just saw you make a thread about how you can't wait till he's off the team and that we will find a replacement no problem, how is that not discrediting him, implying that it would be so easy to replace him. How is saying he doesn't even warrant being in the conversation for MVP not discrediting him? I never said he would win MVP if one had to be chosen today, I said he is in the conversation but by your logic, no one is in the conversation except for the QB that holds the best stats at that very moment. By the way, just because you choose to decide what stats are important and which ones aren't doesn't make it so, 3 interceptions and a 98.6 rating are considered too, sorry if you don't like that.[/quote:3rejq91w]

im sure when Bradshaw retired most Steeler fans didnt think it would take 25 years to finally get another qb that would win them a super bowl.

cautionary tale. some people should be careful of what they wish for.[/quote:3rejq91w]

Just because it took 25 years last time doesn't mean it would take another 25 years. It's completely irrelevant. Also, the game has changed. It's now a passing league, meaning when you don't have a QB, you go out and get one no matter the cost (Washington getting RG3 for example). Back in the 80's, the Steelers were much more content to try to win without a stud QB. That would not be the case.

And lets not compare us to Cleveland or Oakland. They are poorly run teams. And don't compare us to Flacco either, he's the best QB in the league, just ask him. But seriously, Flacco is good enough to take his team to the SB if he gets decent defence and has a good running game to compliment him, but he's definitely not winning games by himself.

 

im sure when Bradshaw retired most Steeler fans didnt think it would take 25 years to finally get another qb that would win them a super bowl.

cautionary tale. some people should be careful of what they wish for.[/quote:1fr8yf5b]

In a league with 32 teams, 25 years is not a long time to wait to finally win another super bowl. I heard a Ryan Clark interview today and straight out said Steelers fans are spoiled by the success of the players.[/quote:1fr8yf5b]

when you consider that they just won 4 super bowls in a decade, 25 years is an eternity.

 

Actually the problem with this team is that they don't have a Water boy who will go out there and kick everyones a$$. Who is the Bobby Bueschee on this team. They're soft on Defense. The Offense can't net the 40 points a game that Ben wants and the ST's can't quit shooting themselves in the foot.

 

Oh you mean the #1 overall D from last year, and the #2 overall this year (will most likely be #1 overall again)! I'll take that same defense year in and year out, it's hard to get any better than #1 and #2! It's always the D's fault on this board, hilarious! I keep forgetting the D threw the pick 6 in the 4th against Denver (14 pt swing) and the INT vs Tenn. and when the D gave the offense another shot (starting at the Tenn. 39 yd line thanks to A. Browns return)in the 4th for the win, and they couldn't move the damn ball 5 yds to give Sweezy a better chance. I wish our D would learn to throw better and score TDs when it counts!!!! LOL.. Unbelievable how some people see things, but I keep forgetting Ben is God around here and never does any wrong. He once held the record for 4th quarter wins, and comebacks but recently not so much... like you said "GOING BACK TO THE SUPER BOWL AGAINST GREEN BAY", remember #7 had the ball on the last drive with a chance to add his 3rd ring and did nothing with it! Defense failed again right!!!

We win and lose as a team, but the bottom line is this offense leaves way too many points on the field and the D struggles in the 4th, we hopefully can all agree on that, right!

Now lets get this train back on track and kick some pig ass this weekend! HERE WE GO STEELERS, HERE WE GO!!!!

 

Ben said he would "like" to have 40 but knows that an unreasonable but said the actual goal for every game is 30. That's what he actually said. I'm just clarifying this because another poster put that same thing up a few weeks ago and it actually isn't an accurate account of what he said.

 

Dude that "rank" is so meaningless I can't even begin to state just HOW meaningless it is. We played a CAKE schedule. THAT is the reason the numbers look better than they actually are. Almost EVERYONE on this board has agreed for almost a year that our D is not what it once was. Also if I were guessing I would say this board is probably about 60/40 ANTI-BA. So we've not been a bunch of guys calling the offense great either. This board has pretty brutally honest fans and no matter WHO it is playing crappy we will call them out on it. Us that are in the Haley camp believe the reason that Ben hasn't developed more of a cerebral style of playing qb is because BA stunted his growth. Under Haley he is making better decisions and not trying FOR THE MOST PART to FORCE things. To quote those defensive stats is just laughable dude. The eye test alone shows that we were NOT the BEST D in the NFL.

 

T.E. I agree the defense had chances to win the games and I think the majority of the blame falls on the defense, but the offense had some chances to close out games and failed to do so. there's plenty of blame to go around.
I agree that some of the posts are really rediculous.

 

i'm not buying we are still learning this offense. we have 10 games and about 14 weeks in it now. that dog don't hunt. ben and the offense should be putting up better numbers,yardage and points. that was the whole idea of changing OC's. they have more than enough firepower to carry this defense until we get it healthy and rebuilt. we should be putting up 31 against teams like oakland. we should put more than that up against those teams. we should put more than what we did against tenn.. those are teams this high powered O should be throttling. they have to give this defense more than a 7 point lead in the 4th qtr.. that is their job too. this ain't the cowher era, where sitting on a slight lead is going to get it done. with the rule changes helping the offense we absolutely should be scoring more. the defense has that going against it the o has it going for it.

 

Well get Wallace some stuckem and we would have better numbers. Someone should go back and look at how many sure td's we've dropped. That's what's making the offense look average on paper. In basically EVERY game we've dropped a td. Week 1 I remember Heath was WIDE OPEN and Ben just lazily tossed it up and had it batted down. With a little air under it there is one. AB dropped one in Philly. Batch dropped one in Cincy. Wallace also could've had one if he hadn't dropped that tip ball. Those are a few that I can think of but I know that's not an exhaustive list. Some of the proud stat nerds we have around here should settle this question.

 

I'll admit I did think the offense would be a little further along than what they are. I think they are on the right track and will be more consistant each week.

 

Well in reality we've kinda had an offensive caroussel if you think about it. The o-line is patched together and the running backs have basically been by committee. So maybe it's just a little harder to gel that way.

 

we have to have better line play. that hurt us in near every game so far.

 

Yeah I think for the most part the Cincy game was the best effort we've gotten from the line. But still we had a horrible 1st half regardless of the score and once you get down to playoff time IF we are gonna make it we MUST play COMPLETE games or else we will be at home watching the games along with the Ravens and that's not something I like to think about.

 

What do you expect from the Steelers offense?

It's only been 6 games with OC Haley
Their starting Centre is once again hurt and missing games
Their offensive line is banged up
Running backs in commitee are dropping with injuries
Wallace clearly playing like a holdout and dropping passes galore
Our head coach is making poor decisions with 56yd fg attempts

Yet for some reason I feel more confident with our offense, rather than our defense.

Ben and Heath have been our MVP's this season. For Ben to have thrown only 3 picks thus far in that many attempts has improved Ben's game so far. However IMO, the steelers WR core has dropped way too many passes which have been a crucial part of the Steelers offensive woes... Brown and Wallace need to step up and play consistent in order for the Steelers to improve and there's still time for that.