Is Tomlin simply the product of a great organization with an elite quarterback?

Just get to the sb and win it. I don' care if we are a 9-7 wildcard just win it all

 

Luckily for us the AFC is horrendous so 9-7 might be good enough

 

“Hahaha you guys are silly, how can you hate on this team geeze!?”””

*keeps winning the north and doing nothing*

Lol

 

Meh, If you're content winning the North and being 1 and done every year then I guess you'll be thrilled each year till Ben Retires. When your franchise has 6 SB's, winning the division means very little in the grand scheme of things, especially a division that hosts 2 of the worst franchises in the NFL in the browns and Bungals

 

That is a little ridiculous. The giants never make playoffs and he didnt out coach anyone. He had a defensive line that got over powered. The Pats undeafeated season they were begging to lose. Should have lost to jags and probably could have lost to chargers if rivers was not playing with broken leg and next game welker dropped probably the only pass he has ever dropped in his life or pats win. Giants got all the luck in those games. To be honest with you I think the best Pats team ever was the one rex ryan beat in foxboro. That team was great

 

Not to get too involved in this debate, but Brady and the Pats have a fairly consistent record of running up the score when they can.

The Jags were still in the game until fairly late. With more confidence in their QB (or a better QB, or a more experienced Bortles), the Jags could have taken them.

 

The jags stayed with a 4 man rush the whole game and never once blitzed brady, thats what cost them the game........

 

Both times Coughlin's teams were inferior. Pitt has had better talent than ne both times. And it doesn' matter how they won they both times employed great strategies to win. And you don' beat a team twice in the sb based of luck. And this is why we can continue to be where we are. Fans like you are content with " just making the playoffs"...

 

What really cost them was they in the first half played man and shut ne down then tried to play strictly zone in the 2nd half which is a no no you have to mix it up and keep Brady guessing. Some blitz here, run some man zone concepts with the d's coming to the middle and the d's playing over the top. By the time they went back to man it was too late.

 

This sums up that game as well as any talking points:

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Jacksonville had New England right where they wanted them in the fourth quarter, up 20-10 with 14:52 left. But Patriots’ quarterback Tom Brady found his rhythm without tight end Rob Gronkowski, hooking up with receiver Danny Amendola for two fourth-quarter scores.

A lot will be said about the refs and penalty discrepancy between the Jags and Patriots. New England, flagged for just one penalty throughout the game.

Jacksonville had a few questionable penalties called against them. Most noteworthy, the pass interference call against cornerback A.J. Bouye that led to New England’s first touchdown.

Also, when Jags’ linebacker Miles Jack stripped Pats running back Dion Lewis and had a clear path to the end zone; but the ref blew the whistle.

In conclusion, the no call on the Patriots final drive to run out the clock, when Jags’ linebacker Telvin Smith was held from making the tackle.

But teams have to expect those types of calls, especially in Foxborough facing the Patriots. With the odds stacked against Jacksonville, they had more than enough opportunities to win this game despite the penalties and referees.

 

That's not news to me. Try telling that to Tomlin.

 

That's fine if that's what you like. I have a feeling you might have a different tune if things played out the same way for the Steelers that they did for the Giants. They made the playoffs once since they won the SB in 2011. The Giants were a mess this season.

The Steelers remain a good and consistent competitive team under Tomlin. Tomlin is a good coach. There is still plenty that he can learn and improve upon. He will never please everyone though.

 

Maybe I'm just emotional because of him vs ne. I seriously probably wouldn't be saying this has ne not made the sb. May thoughts may change if they lose.

 

What are you talking about? The giants were not inferior the second game. They were 3 point dogs only for the pure fact that oddsmakers are always gonna give pats odds to keep the bets honest. And if you think I am content with this garbage your nuts. But I would much rather have the steelers record of work the last 18 years than the giants. I live in NY. Giant fans would trade spots with us in a ny minute......

 

I am not defending tomlin, I think he is a horrible coach. I am more concerned that this team does not blow out inferior teams on a weekly basis than us losing to jags without shazier. I do not think some people realize how incredible shazier is.

 

Love Shazier and he is an incredible player. But the Jags ran all over us with Shazier in the regular season. Shazier was not playing all that well in some games. He was overpursuing, missing gap assignments, missing tackles. Goes back to a lack of discipline and substandard coaching on the defensive side. And yet, not one defensive coach is being held accountable as we sit here today.

#FJPI #FCLI

 

Jags had a whopping 6 pts in that game early in 4th quarter until ben started throwing pick 6s and giving them ball at our 20 yd line

 

Okay, what about the Bears? What about the other teams that ran all over us this year. The Steelers were not playing good run defense a good portion of the year. COACHING!

 

Yea our coaching is bad, I get it. But if you dont think shazier would have made a few plays in that game. Everybody is killing the DBs. It was the middle of field that was empty in that game. Our linebackers were lost. The jags receivers were running go routes having our dbs run with them and exploiting our linebackers with run game.........

 

He wouldn't have hurt. Neither would Deebo. No pressure all freaking day.

 

yup makes me sick. Deebo would have gotten to bortles atleast once......

 

All the giant fans I know laugh about how we have all this talent in the world and can't beat the pats.. And ne had the better offense by far. Defenses weren't that far apart. Coaching ne. So they overall had the edge. But Eli was playing out of his mind that year.

 

It was more so bad safety and no pass rush play than corner play. They primarily ran zone all game and got zero pressure. You give any nfl qb time to sit back their all day he will eventually dart you up.

 

JackAttack5958 said:

"I'm already concerned about next season. I don't think the offense will be any better than it was under Haley and if anything I think it may regress under Fichtner who's approach will probably be to acquiesce to Ben. Tomlin has shown weak leadership at this point by refusing to do anything with his defensive coaching staff which is underperforming. We don't have that much cap space to be a player in free agency this year and will be bargain shopping yet again. By the way, a couple of players that I really wanted us to make a play for in free agency last year were Stephon Gilmore and AJ Buoye. Anyone notice what an impact they had on their teams this season and into the post season? But, yay, we signed Coty Sensabaugh."

Where would TS [the Steelers] have been without FA to supplement the draft. In the craphouse probably but at best an average 7-9, 8-8, 9-7 run of the mill team or a one and done once every 10-15 years PO team. Since 1993 some notable FA's that became starters or significant contributors were

1993--9-7--Kevin Greene. 2 others that were acquired prior to 93 and became starters Yancy Thigpen WR and Donald Evans DE.
1994-12-4--John Williams FB, Duval Love RG, Todd Kalis, LG [apparently Cowher wasnt too happy with his former Guards] and on D only K. Greene
1995-11-5 JW FB, Tom Newberry LG, Justin Strzelczyk RG,[??still building that OL] Yancy Thigpen WR and KG
1996-10-6 Tim Lester FB replaced JW, Acquired Jerome Bettis RB, drafted Brandon Stai RG, moved Strzelczyk to RT, signed FA Will Wolford [considered to be one of the best OL in the game and replaced Newberry.] Greene moved on and now the D was all drafted.
1997-11-5--Offense same, D Nolan Harrison DE a decent player and Darnell Woolford CB not so hot let go quick
1998--7-9--Courtney Hawkins WR Dewayne Washington CB damn good player TS are now being QBd with the likes of Kordell Stewart and Mike Tomzack also a FA I think
1999--6-10--Wayne Gandy LT another top OL FA to protect Stewart. Didn't help. Travis Davis a SS started I dont remember him
2000 2001 2002 OTTOMH During this time TS kind of hit the jackpot with FAs like James Farrior' Jeff hartings and even Kimo von O plus draft picks like Buress, and Casey Hampton.

All these moves led to a decade of damn good teams.

The point is whatTF has this team done the past 6 years to glue the lineup and shore up weakness'? Take a look at how NE has operated in the past several years. They are doing what Cowher was doing and it has paid off. It has been the difference. Actually it seems Belichick and the Pats have copied the Steelers strategy from years past and it has paid off big time.

But I still don't think they win the SB but then again neither will the Steelers.

 

What is the similarity between all of those damn good teams and the Steelers of the last couple years? None of them were good enough. You point to a bunch of losing teams( as in not good enough to win the sb) and say see how much better things were.