I have not heard of either, but there are a number of players that were very good, but not great enough for Canton. (What is odd about the team of the 70's is that there are more Hall of Famers from the offensive side of the ball than the defensive side, but the defense carried that team, until 78-79). Back to the topic, my Steelers fandom began in 1970-71, so you older old-timers would know the players from the 1930s-1960s. From the 1970s defense, I would add L.C. Greenwood, Mike Wagner, Andy Russell, and Donnie Shell to a Steelers Hall of Fame, and possibly even Dwight White. To think Ernie Holmes, Glen Edwards, and J.T. Thomas, do not make it, yet those are still three very good players. From the 1970s offense I would add Larry Brown for sure and probably Rocky Bleier, but the O-line did not get the credit it deserves. I know there are a bunch of players we could name, not as many from the 1980s, but several from the 1990s to the present. Let's keep the discussion to players that are not already in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. I do not have any criteria for this, but Neil O'Donnell cannot be allowed in. Sorry Thigpen82, but I do not think Yancey gets in either.