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Is it any wonder why Bell wants max $?

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by Watt Wack, May 30, 2018.

  1. Watt Wack

    Watt Wack Well-Known Member

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    I think with Bell's style of rushing, he probably won't end up like Lewis, but it really does bring home the point of not only having a limited window to make your coin, but at the physical price you may be paying to produce in this game later in life.

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-nfl-life-and-preparing-for-darker-days-ahead

    I always thought Lewis was a little underrated at a player. He was a real horse to bring down, often at our expense. Unfortunately, that bruising style is costing him now. And, as bad as that is in of itself, the fact that he ended up bankrupt is some real salt in that wound. That stinks. I would love to be able to advise NFL players on what not to do as they are making their big $. No, I am not a professional financial adviser (most of those guys know little anyhow), but, dang, so many of these guys make terrible decisions.

    If you end up all busted up from playing, you'd like to be set for life, at least. Lewis is not.
     
  2. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    It doesn't just happen in the NFL. Many young people making good money think it will last forever.:cool:
     
  3. Watt Wack

    Watt Wack Well-Known Member

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    Yea, but people with normal jobs don't end up suicidal due to concussions and the sort, plus their earning phases are typically a lot longer than NFL players.
     
  4. Blast Furnace

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    Bell would have been set for life had he accepted the Steelers first offer or 12 per. He's still set for life making 12 last year and 14 this year. Plus the next contract. he'll cash in on and also his endorsements and rap sales.

    Bell is just exceptionally greedy and over developed sense of self worth.
     
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  5. TheMatrixHasYou

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    Oh boo hoo hoo. This is so much bs. Lewis played for nine years, that's 131 games, and he's set for life. Did the reporter follow Lewis into work? No, because he doesn't have to work ever again. He retired at age 30. What other person gets to work only 131 days and then retire super rich?

    It's not the NFL's fault he wasted it all and it doesn't seem to me that he's actually broke because if he was he would have to get a job. Filing for bankruptcy is sometimes used to get out of paying for things people purchased but no longer want.
     
  6. Watt Wack

    Watt Wack Well-Known Member

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    Set for life? He went dead broke, bankrupt, banks came in and took everything he owned. Yea, it's his fault, but my point remains: Knowing you might be a physical mess, you really need to make max cash while you can still play.
     
  7. TheMatrixHasYou

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    Bell has already earned way more than the average US citizen for 66 games, so that's only 66 total days of work and he could leave football today and still have many millions for the rest of his life.

    Depending on what statistics you choose, the average US citizen earns about $44,000 to $67,000 a year. They probably work about 30 years so that comes out to $1.3 to $2 million earned after 30 years.

    Lewis worked 131 days. He's about 39 years old now. If he needs money maybe he should go out and actually get a job? Wow, imagine that, having to work to provide for yourself and your family. These guys think the NFL should be responsible for them forever. No one wants to take responsibility for their own actions, just blame someone else.

    I have no sympathy for him.

    None.
     
  8. AskQuestionsLater

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    One can really take Bell's views from three different angles if one applies each set of circumstances. Short summarization for each. They are as follows:



    Perspective of an NFL Player: Bell obtaining the 17 per year increases the Running Back market. Furthermore, Bell is trying to cash in within a career that is very short; Running Back especially. He is also arguably the best Running Back in the game. Pay the man and pay him in full!



    Perspective of an NFL General Manager: Here lies arguably the best Running Back in the game today. There are good Running Backs but none like him. Now, given the fact that Running Backs last roughly under 3 years on average, coupled with his own off field issues, is he worth the risk? Do the rewards outweigh the risks in a game where even Super Bowl contending teams like New England use a commitee approach? 17 million is quite a bit to award a player like Bell but the risks might outweigh the reward in some capacity. I would pay him but the guaranteed money is going to be a big aspect of the negotiation



    Perspective of an NFL Fan that is not a Steelers fan: Well, 17 million is a bit much for a Running Back. Even more so, one with such off field issues. However, the talent is undeniable and you cannot replicate that in any form. I would pay him but the guaranteed money is the key here.





    Ultimately, the guaranteed money is the issue. Bell wants to impact not just himself but the market in a big way. Kevin Colbert clearly is not comfortable with investing so much in such a high risk. The majority fans within SteelersNation want him gone all together.


    If this were any another franchise, Bell would have been signed. For a team like the Steelers however, the guaranteed money will be the deciding factor. Whether or not the fans like this is irrelevant as that will be whether Bell stays or goes.



    Given Bell's recent rhetoric though, it appears as if that Bell's price tag will be out of reach.
     
  9. Watt Wack

    Watt Wack Well-Known Member

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    It's insane you only count game days as days NFL players work. That is too cracked to even respond to.
     
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  10. TheMatrixHasYou

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    So because the guy once played in the NFL he should never have to work ever again?

    Boo hoo hoo.

    Get a job.
     
  11. santeesteel

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    Normally, I'm all for a guy getting as much as he can. In this case, I think Bell just thinks he's worth more than he is. In my industry I see guys like that all the time. They price themselves out of consideration and spend weeks, or months with little work. Of course, that's not going to happen with Bell. Eventually, he'll find a desperate team with too much cap room. Meantime, he'll just have to squeak by on only 14 million. Tough break!
     
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  12. SteelerGlenn

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    I'm with you these guys are set for life, but they both worked more days then just game days.
     
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  13. jeh1856

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    This is America. Bell, like you or I have the right to negotiate what we can. The Steelers have offered him exactly that. But just because freedom speech gives us the right to speak it should not be abused with Bells spouting idiocy. He also has the right to remain silent.
     
  14. jeh1856

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    I was talking to James Harrison’s agent one day. He said he gave sound financial advice to every one of his young clients when they signed their first contract. He said not one listened to him. He also said something like 95% are broke within 5 years.

    The agent took his own advice. He isn’t broke. Thank god I listened to my Dad.
     
  15. dobbler-33

    dobbler-33 Well-Known Member

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    Not too many folks are gonna have empathy for a beat up athlete millionaire. Too many blue collar types that bust their ass all year long for peanuts in comparison and are expected to set themselves up for life based off of those peanuts with many aches pains and disabilities in tow. I've always felt bad for the guys that actually played football, blazed the trail, and did so without ASININE contracts, with offseason jobs, and without kid mitten pampering. High school ball 30 years ago had a more grueling practice schedule than these kids have at the pro level these days and that's just how it is/was.

    Bakersfield has a handful of former NFL'ers that have been beaten down in what's not even considered a career much less a successful career. Squandered decent monies due to living it up with the homeboys and bad uncle investment situations. If it weren't for Joeys wife he'd lost it all too.

    These guys put work in atleast a good deal of em do and have far more opps than those before them and many of us outside the sport. I don't feel bad if they **** it away. I don't have ill feelings towards Bell wanting his as that's how **** works these days. However, I don't care for his attitude of playing victim to the org or fan base as that's exactly what he's doing. He's no victim anymore than he's a safe bet and he only has himself his actions his injuries to blame. Which pisses most folks off, because as much as we'd like to see him here we don't want to hear the BS or ham string the team to another asinine contract that doesn't guarantee zip. If you want to ask yourself an honest question here's one... What have we done with Bell that we haven't done without him? Answer is win and lose some games and not get 7. What have we done with an over paid Ben? Won 5 and 6 and had a good defense in tow of course... But not a RB that wants damn near 20 per who wasn't as good as the year before with more touches. Still have a D that needs attention in the near future and paying the RB what he wants is only going to hurt the team financially. What I don't want to see but has kinda been unfolding here is the Steelers turning into the Colts... All O specialists no D.

    Now I'd say in the next 5-10 years we'll see our first 20 mil RB because the ceilings keep climbing. Might even be next year, but just like the insane investments in QBs it's all relative to idiot owners and them doing what they do and nobody has any control over that. Bell isn't worth 17 per year. None of these guys are in reality. Too many contracts handed out due to market value, stats, personal value, actual worth and what they've done, coupled with whatever the Raiders want to over pay for resetting all of it over again hahahahahaha!

    Bottom line, if Bell changed the history around here since showing up I could probably get behind his point of view to an extent but nothing has changed with him other than he's amassed a hell of a lot of touches, great numbers, suspension, injury and an early exit come crunch time. He's making a buck per download on i tunes and would rack those up if he actually made something worth listening too but he has yet to do so. Until then it's more of the same. I'll root for the team this season and appreciate whatever Bell brings to the table in a positive manner, wish him well when it's done, hope they get 7 and all the rest... He hasn't earned what he thinks he's due just like tne rest of the over paid league that wins and loses without rb's who can't rap.
     
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  16. Watt Wack

    Watt Wack Well-Known Member

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    That is a non sequitur AND a straw man argument. NO ONE ever said any of the above. And it's real class to ridicule someone suffering from CTE. All class.
     
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  17. groutbrook

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    What makes you think that?
     
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  18. AskQuestionsLater

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    Teams who are in dire need of even solid Running Back production would sign Bell provided they have the cash for it; namely San Francisco or Cleveland.


    While he is a high risk player, he is also a high reward player. By some franchises, the rewards might outweigh the risks should they be able to have the necessary assests for that player.
     
  19. dobbler-33

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    Both have the assets and neither came forth with a trade. If it was feasible enough bells ass would've signed the doc and teams in such a need or position would've made it a possible scenario. Either they don't see it either, as beneficial as such an ordeal would be presumed, or they're comfy with purchasing his services next year without giving anything up which could mean another wasted year for proposed suitors missing such a presumed missing puzzle piece.
     
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  20. groutbrook

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    I agree that certain teams would sign him (I don't know about 17 mil, x amount guaranteed, ect). You stated any other franchise would have signed him. I don't agree with that. Even teams with the financial ability have a tipping point.
     
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    The reason neither came with any sort or form of trade is due to the fact that Bell has yet to sign his tender. Had he signed that tender, more than likely we would have heard more trade rumors leading up to the draft for certain.
     
  22. dobbler-33

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    What will probably happen is Bell will sign for less than the 12 per + He was offered a year ago and rap about how nice it is to be loved hahahahaha
     
  23. dobbler-33

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    Like I said, wheels turn when there is interest. None shown or he would have ran his happy butt down there to sign away.
     
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  24. AskQuestionsLater

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    I sure did. Any franchise would have signed him had they had the essential finances and assets as well. You are also correct that teams do have a tipping point of their own.



    I now ask you this; of the 32 teams in the NFL, how many of those have such a level in their "tipping point" like the Steelers?
     
  25. AskQuestionsLater

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    :hmm:



    Or it could have been due to the fact that, as he stated, he was not going to sign the tender before the prologue to the 2018 NFL Draft in the NFL Reigonal Scouting Combine.



    The interest is there for some teams. The issue is waiting on him to sign the tender. Why would a team allow itself to be rumored to have any interest in Bell? Imagine what their rivals might do if such an interest develops. Even in the event a team showcases interest, whether Bell proverably "runs down" and signs the tender is irrelevant. What is relavent are two key aspects:


    1.) Whether or not Kevin Colbert elects to trade Bell


    Most importantly though....



    2.) What offers are there currently for Colbert to consider it a worthy trade.




    Ultimately, at this point, I do hope Bell does sign the tender sooner than later as I would imagine his trade value is going to deteriorate anyway given the fact he is set to become a Free Agent in 2019.
     

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