Is Haleys time up?

I agree. Although I'm not convinced it's all Haleys fault I think Ben's inconsistency plays a roll too,we need Ben for a couple more chances at a ring so whoever is gonna make him happy then bring him in. Ben better realize that it's all on him then....no more " I run the play they send in" there will be no more excuses it will be put up or shut up.

 

I'd rather see changes on the defensive side of the ball. We lost to New England because of the style D we play. even if the offense would've put more points on the board the D would've found a way to lose the game. imo

 

Just had the same conversation with a buddy of mine. He wants Butler gone...I still like the direction the D is heading. 7 th youngest in the league.....still have high hopes for Senquez,if he can ever get on the field. Heyward will be in full beast mode next year. Couple of holes to shore up,hopefully addressed in the draft and or FA. Offensive league ,so I feel offense needs to be at its best and keeping your franchise QB happy is pretty high on the list. I know we need OLB or maybe even a switch to a 4-3 after the debacle Sunday,so maybe DL. Give Ben who ever he wants for OC just stop with the passive aggressive crap already. Icing on Ben's cake OJ Howard......my draft crush. Kick Green to the curb and use the 5 mil on FAs.....

PS I know your from NY too. It just might be Knicks/Bulls all over again...I know you know what I mean...Maybe Brady will take a year off to go play baseball

 

Only problem is tho....IF we wanna make it to the big game, we'll have to beat New England.

 

He already is a OC for Minnesota I think,

 

So much for averaging 30 points per game. What a farce. Sort of like our HC.

 

Which is why the Steelers lucked out in 2010. Had the Jets not done us a favor, I doubt we go to the SB that year.

 

The only and I mean only thing he has done for this offense is keep Ben of his a***. I think he is an average play caller. I could care less whether he stays. With the mostly veteran offense we have the play book should have been a bit more challenging. I mean could you image if we ran a shuffle pass with Bell in the slot and pitch him the ball. Kind of like what KC was dong with Kelce. That is the sort of stuff we are missing. Plus the Steelers used to be the king at the HB pitch pass, and I have not seen that since Haley was in charge. I have never really been a fan. Hope his time is up.

 

Coates catches that pass on 3rd and 1 and we aren't talking about TH. Play calling at times could have been better, but no Bryant all year, Green mostLy a spectator, TH had to change things all year long. He will be back

 

there needs to be an airing of grievances between the two Ben is usually the last player to meet with MT, so I'm sure they can bring Haley in and discuss what went wrong and why the disgruntlement. I just don't understand how Ben can call plays at the line but when he's questioned on what happened at the goal line series (Jesse James stopped at 1/2yd line), he says "I just run the plays they call" or whatever he said. When is Ben allowed to audible and when is he not, I guess would be the question. We won't ever know, but I can't imagine them being pissed if he called for a QB sneak and he gets in the EZ.

There does seem to be a disconnect ALL OF A SUDDEN. I didn't hear much on this topic all season or last season. So I don't know if Ben's pissed about the team's performance and just spouting off or there has always been a disconnect. If there is one and MT doesn't think he can fix it, then they may be looking for a new OC. Things can only bubble under the surface for so long before there are other ramifications.

 

I think Ben got a little backlash for changing the play and or plays in the KC game....he was probably told to stick with the plays they called down there on Sunday. So he was just waiting for them to fail so he can say...I told you so or in his language...I run the plays they call. I personally don't think it's a relationship that can be smoothed over ,there is still animosity from day one. Maybe Ben was fine with it when he was airing the ball out to Bryant and Wheaton last year but because of the inexperience at WR this year we reeled it in a bit and because of our Red Zone struggles both of them are on a power trip...make Ben happy give him what he wants so there are no more excuses...

 

I didn't hear about this...

 

Why do they not trust quarterbacks now a days to call their own game ? Are there too many specialty players or packages that prevents this ? I'm assuming in the 70's everyone called their own plays as Bradshaw did. Maybe Bradshaw was one of the few ?

 

**** no to Norv Turner... you crazy.

 

I'm m not saying it as fact but it sure feels that way to me. I mean we all know he has at least some freedom calling plays and audibles....so why all of a sudden is he acting that way.

 

I don't agree with this. It was the wrong call in that situation and it would have been the wrong call if Ben threw it to AB and he caught it.
Considering what Bell had done in the playoffs (and most of the season), give him the ball every time in that situation. If Bell doesn't get the first down, no one is going to say "Ben should have threw it deep there".

 

If we bring in a replacement for Haley I feel we can go in 2 directions. 1. Someone Ben is comfortable with and has good relation...Fichtner is really the only one that comes to mind there may be others...or 2. one of these new " brainiac " types who is up to date with the new offenses that are being run today but at the same time is flexible enough to be able to incorporate some of what we already do and what Ben is familiar with. Whoever it may be though it has to be someone who can develop a gameplan weekly if need be to finally exploit the other teams weaknesses. Afte all thes years with Ben it still feels like we pull our plays out of a hat...There are some games but very rarely that they actually use some plays to set up others,many other games it seems just random.

If I had my choice especially with the talk of Ben's days being maybe even more numbered than we thought I would like to see a young fresh mind brought in that can work with what we have but at the same time facilitat our future....I really think some of our staff is stuck in the Stone Ages...PS .....FDSI..

 

Just curious, who was Ben's O coach in college?
I ask because to change everything up now at this point in his career may not be cool.
I would be more comfortable with familiarity.

 

Browns-need I say
Colts-without Luck
Giants-tough
Bills-average
Bengals-tough
Ravens-tough-a very good play by Brown
Browns-need I say
Dolphins-with Matt Moore
Chiefs-a holding call away from maybe losing