Is Brady now the greatest ever?

Montana also played during a time when the rules did not favor the QB/receives as much as they do now. Montana used a lot dink and dunk but he also threw his share of passes downfield as well, he also had outstanding mobility outside the pocket. As I said before I think Montana, Marino, Elway, Bradshaw, Staubach could morph into today's game. I think Ben, Rodgers, Manning (when he used to throw downfield a lot), Luck could have morphed into the way the game was being played in the 80's. I do not think Brady or Brees could - just my opinion and we will never know.

One thing to ask yourself Jack. Think of Joe Montana's best known play - scrambling to the sideline, waiting with the Dallas rush coming on strong and then throwing a perfect pass to Dwight Clark. Do you think Brady could make that type of throw? I don't think he could.

 

someone different or better than Don Shula? A guy who had a little sucess with a guy named Unitas, and went 13-1 with Earl Morrall? A guy who got a lot out of Bob Griese and went to the SB with David Woodley?
The guy seemed to know how to work with great QBs and develop others.

 

Whats this doing in Steeler's talk??

 

I never understood this argument personally. 2 Extra superbowls are 2 superbowls that Montana never achieved, that's 2 more conference championships than Montana. To reach the SB is feat by itself.
That said, I hate Brady but have to give props.

 

I think that's a fair point. The scandals (plural) will be a drag on his legacy.

 

Personally I think Shula was mailing it in a bit when he got Marino. Shula actually gravitated towards changing the game into more of a passing explosion with Marino...i.e. he was smart enough to see what he had. Unfortunately he and management did squat in building the rest of the team as Miami never had a running game and their defenses were generally bad. Some of that is Marino's fault too as he was a bit headstrong with how he wanted to run offense, but still Shula wasn't as good a coach in buiding out a whole team.

When Jimmy Johnson came on - he did get the defense better, but Marino wasn't what he was during the 80's. Johnson caught lightning in a bottle with those early Dallas drafts...not so much in Miami.

 

He set the record for completions in a Super Bowl. He set the record for most td passes in Super Bowl history. Against one of the best defenses maybe ever. He also threw 4tds as well.

 

Sorry BFT but no dice. The defense was vastly overrated, Sherman,Thomas, and Chancellor were all masking injury as well as losing Layne. Ben's drive in the final minutes of the Arizona SB was much more compelling and worthy of MVP consideration than anything Brady accomplished yesterday

 

Your competition matter though as well. It isn't like Holmes wasn't deserving as well. There was really no competition for Brady - it was a true team win. I guess Edelman or maybe Butler for just having the cahunas to make that play (even with the call by the Seahawks being as bad as it was). But they didn't want to parade some 23 year old undrafted FA in front of the media, so Brady was a logical choice.

 

What defense was better? The banged up Seattle defense from last night or the 08 Cards defense? I agree that Ben should have been the MVP though.

 

Exactly. You can only beat the other team you're playing. We had the Cards, a team many believe got lucky to even be there. But you can't take that away from us, we played the only team we could play

 

This pretty much sums it up for me.

 

at what?

 

LOL!!! If they can do more then why didn't they? Only Bradshaw equals him in wins. He blanks Marino and Kelly. He doubles Elway and Staubach in wins. He's 4-1 on Rodgers. I know you don't like him but dude. Also Montana played under the Mel Blount rule for his whole career.

 

Brady is the greatest ever.... just as Pete Rose is the greatest ever.

 

We're comparing Brady to Ben! Yeah that's what we're doin'!

 

Not Kelly's fault that his kicker didn't make his field goal, any more than it is Brady's doing that Vinatieri made his (on multiple occasions). Just sayin'.

 

But mobility and trophies are two different things. Their mobility didn't translate to trophies. So what difference does that make at the end of the day? If rings aren't the true measure then why are we always talking about the fact that we have 6? Rings are what it's all about. Regardless of what your eyes tell you what does your fingers tell you when you count who has the most to show for their career? When I count mine tell me that Brady has more to show regardless of his mobility than all of those dudes except for Bradshaw but he has just as much to show.

 

He did too, did too, did too!!!

I don't know how much stock you'll put in this, Blast, but Tom Brady's career stats compare very favorably to Joe Montana's:

http://m.pfref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXBXXBradTo00.htm

http://m.pfref.com/m?p=XXplayersXXMXXMontJo01.htm

Yeah, I know, I know. Different era. Can't breathe on receivers. Montana's dink and dunk was different...blah, blah, blah.

 

Yeah but what's funny is that if Norwood had made that fg people probably wouldn't say "Kelly was good but it was really the kicker that won it." LOL. Peyton Manning played a MUCH worse SB than Brady did last night and he still got mvp. Is 14/22 with 157yds, a passing TD, and a rushing TD MVP worthy in the Super Bowl or are those numbers pedestrian?

 

So you are honestly telling me that you think that guys are better than Tom Brady because of their mechanics? You're saying they are better all around players than him? I'm not really following what you're trying to convey.