In comparing Howard and Alar ask THIS question-

You are literally making an excuse for him
He has a 69 QBR vs FUI 19/33 for 200 yards at 6.1 yard average. Against FLORIDA INTERNATIONAL

In his 6 games last years, and you can take out NW if you want. He never threw for more than 217 yards and average only about 200 yards a game and they only played 1 good team. And this was not a fluke year, as he has had these types of stats/games his entire career. And having STUD RBs, should have helped counter the lack of top receivers by giving him more time. How many games of his did you watch and say, yea I see him as a NFL starter?

 

Don’t be raining on his man crush

 

Somebody was going to take a shot on Allar, he just has all the tools that teams want in a QB. Its really a good situation for the Steelers, you have Rodgers for this year and the coaches will get a look at Allar, so who really cares about his stats at PSU, the coaches will know whether or not the have something. If they don't have something then they will make the moves to draft a guy or get a free agent.

 

James Franklin is a lot like Mike Tomlin. Rarely is he going to ask the QB to win the game, 80% of the time he demands they not lose the game which leads to some incredibly boring offenses.

That being said, Allar hasn’t shown enough to convince me he is a legit prospect to get excited about.

Hopefully white Mike can tap into his talent but I still think Will Howard is going to beat him out in camp due to his decision making.

 

Quit bring race into this

You do this repeatedly

This is not the place for it

Please stop

 

Is his name Mike? yes
Is he white? yes
Does he have a resume similar to Mike Tomlin? yes

I’m calling him white Mike.

 

Quit bring racism into this

You do this repeatedly

This is not the place for it

Please stop

I believe you were kicked off the board for this once before

 

My honest opinion of both is they both have showed nothing yet.

Sounds pretty harsh. When the tires hit the pavement in the NFL we can start talking.

 

Agree. I'm in the thought that the most persistent will prevail.

I know if you're floating millions of dollars in my face with retirement at 35 years of age to play a child's game I'd be pretty persistent if I was in these guy's shoes.

 

Nope and nope

white Mike isn’t racist.

chill with the poutrage.

 

Nah.. not a good comparison. Plenty of Ohio State QB’s had tons of talent and came up short. Howard won a championship against great competition in the playoffs.

and he still went in the 6th round.

Drew had a bunch of hype and bombed. I didn’t watch every game but I watched enough Allar to know if he was on Ohio State they wouldn’t have won the chip because the guy has poor decision making skills.

 

You are correct. Our offense was so boring when we had Ben, AB, and Bell rolling. LoL

 

Tomlin already had a franchise QB with a SB win that he could trust when he was hired.

Since then it’s been pretty damn boring at the QB position but he still won 9 to 10 games a year.

What offense have you been watching the last 9 years?

 

Mechanics are one piece. Eventually muscle memory takes over. The decisionmaking is a whole other thing and it's unclear whether coaching can fix it to a point that makes the QB franchise worthy. Making decisions in 2.5 seconds....

 

Very true. Windows close so quickly in the NFL and processing speed is critical. It can be improved through film study, repetition, working on pre and post snap reads, but some guys have an internal processor thats a click faster than others. Those that do have the potential to be quality starters, those that dont become backups or insurance salesmen. I am a Penn State alum so of course I hate Ohio State, but I am a Steeler fan first. If either of these guys becomes a quality starter, I will be super happy. And if its neither of them, we'll thats what the draft and free agency is for.

 

I'm sorry please read again, and then reply, because I didn't know we had Ben, AB, and Bell for the last 9 years, or did you quote that , and not read it???
LoL.
It's like You Moon spells Moon guys don't read. For example I said in another post the Steelers D was better than the Raiders D, and slow people got......Mike Tomlin is awesome, and we had the best D in the league. I believe reading, and comprehension is hard for some.

 

we have 1 too many QBs.
Rudolph or Howard is going to be the odd man out.

 

Allar's combination of arm, size, and movement ability are in that ideal range from a raw talent perspective. He was on the board until Round 3 because of two primary issues in his game, those being his terrible mechanics which did not improve very much in college, and the mental side where he didn't ever demonstrate an ability to carry the offense in the pass game. In fact he was one of those QBs who had the ball taken out of his hand way too often for my liking.

Howard in comparison is a completely different QB. He's a guy who made do with an iffy arm in college and won a title. Sure he was surrounded by elite players, but he also did a great job in the crunch on numerous occasions and put up the performances required for that title run. He went Round 6 because of his physical limitations.

So you have a guy in Allar who is physically everything you want, but who always managed to underwhelm in college. And then a guy in Howard who is limited physically (his throws to the sideline for example must be on time), but managed to get the job done for his college team. They're different ends of the QB prospect spectrum.

Allar is going to need at least a one year redshirt to fix his feet. Maybe more than that, depending on how hard he works, and it's difficult to say "the kid's gonna do the work" when he played through those snaps in college without improving that aspect of his game. Compare him to the top QB from this recent class (Mendoza) and he's got comparable tools and maybe even is superior to him in some aspects but Mendoza is a player who improved significantly every year and had a storybook season that NFL teams know he worked very hard for.

All this aside I do like the idea of Allar on the depth chart. It's nice to have the raw talent first off. And secondly I never liked his staff at Penn St. But I stop short of making excuses for him and no matter how I slice it I can't get past how bad his feet are. From here we'll see how hard he works, and whether he can show some quick improvement on those feet in the preseason games. That would be nice, but not gonna hold my breath on it.