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Discussion in 'College Football Talk' started by S.T.D, Nov 30, 2024.

  1. Steelpens65

    Steelpens65 Well-Known Member

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    I know I was upset about SC not making it, but what about Miami fans? I understand why they didnt make it… losing 2/3 of their last games.
    Let’s go Clemson!!! Knock the Tide out of the playoffs!!!
     
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  3. Vox Ferrum

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    I agree in principle, but conference playoff games are not a true reflection of even the conference. Best records maybe, but on the huge number of teams in the conference how many actually play each other, you can get a measure by common opponents, but what happens when you might only play one common and one team plays every team in conference with a losing record, including nonconference, and the other plays 4 or more ranked teams. There is no clear way to get through this mess with the expansions and now size of the conferences. Eventually they are going to have to cut out unis, and get get it down to an NFL type of league. The number of teams in a conference may be more, but establish divisions and get the number of teams for the college play offs from there. ND can join a conference or F off, lol. Bottom line right now is the media contracts and money involved, but evolution is coming. Stanford of all places just hired Andrew Luck as GM of football operations, I think you will see more of this, some unis will simply opt out or be forced out, a Commissioner of college football will be chosen, and its going to resemble the NFL.
     
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  4. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    I'm a SEC fan, and Alabama doesn't belong in there. They aren't a pimple on the a$$ of Nick's Alabama, but they aren't the only team that shouldn't be there.
     
  5. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    The problem is that the selection committee can never be “right” no matter what happens. There will never be a situation where the obvious 12 best teams in the country line up perfectly for them. There will always be teams playing in conference championship games who would have no chance of being an at-large selection, but the rules require that conference champions get in. They will always have to pick between teams from stronger conferences who have 2-3 losses vs teams from other conferences (or independents) with 1 loss.

    I watched Warde Manuel from the committee explain why they ranked Alabama high and it was their 3-1 record vs Top 25 teams and their record vs. teams over .500, and I’m sure part of it was also head to head vs. South Carolina.

    There will always be teams left out, but at least now those teams will generally be non conference champions with 2-3 losses. Last year Florida State was a 13-0 major conference champion, and was left out because their QB was injured. That travesty won’t happen with the 12 team format. So I guess that’s something anyway.
     
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  6. Steelpens65

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  7. KnoxVegasSteel

    KnoxVegasSteel Well-Known Member

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    The Big 10 bias by the committee is pretty obvious and it's all about money. Ohio state getting seeded above TN in the playoff while TN is ranked higher in AP and coaches polls speaks volumes. That gives OSU the home game which means they get the gate, concessions, TV revenue, and who knows what all else. I've read that the home school stands to make at least $10M. Not to mention the financial gain for restaurants, bars, hotels in that town and the overall prestige and pride.

    No matter how Warde and the committee try to rationalize their decision, you can't justify putting the 6th ranked team at #9 seed and going on the road in the 1st round to play a team they outrank. I'm all for expanded playoff but why not seed the 12 best teams and leave it at that? Having a committee of so called experts decide using their bias is just a bad approach.
     
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  8. Steelpens65

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    Sc beat the #12 team that was ahead of Alabama and yet we only moved up 1 spot?!? Meanwhile, Alabama beats a team that isnt even going to a bowl game and they leapfrogged everyone
     
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  9. KnoxVegasSteel

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    Exactly. This playoff committee is a sham.
     
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  10. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    Before folks get too upset, remember that this is just how the bracket would look if the season had ended. The current 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7 and 12 seeds are all playing in conference championship games. The seeding isn’t set.

    I’m not all that burned up over Ohio State’s seeding. They’re one of the most dangerous teams in the playoff. Penn State’s seeding is more egregious to me. Is their resume impressive in some way that I’m not seeing? I wonder if they’ll stay ahead of Ohio State and Tennessee if they get thwacked by Oregon. I also don’t like the rule that automatically gives byes to the 4 highest ranked conference champs. That rule has Boise State sitting in the 4 seed with a bye.
     
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  11. Steelpens65

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    There are teams that are playing in their conference Championships that are actually considering forfeiting their games so noone gets hurt for the playoffs??!!
    And the way the committee has been it would actually work.
     
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  12. Vox Ferrum

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    I like what Dan Patrick said, it is a TV show. Bottom line the sponsors (the media who paid for the rights) want the best ratings. You mentioned pick the 12 best of highest rated teams, that works, but those ratings are flawed as well as some of those teams are not truly the 'best'. No matter how far they extend it out, there will be teams left out complaining, the arguments will be less, but the current system will never be complete and fair. There are 134 teams in FBS, some conferences will never be notable, but to throw a bone they guarantee a spot in the PO's under certain conditions. Is their level of play consistent or equal to the big boy's? The conferences are at times so big it is hard to find any true comparable comparisons of common opponents. The scheduling by some schools brings in 'lower' status schools late in the season. I get it, those schools get paid big money to be pawns, and it makes sense to have a game or possible 2 at the start of a season as prep, I personally to not see a good answer because bottom line it is all about money, without a total restructure of conferences and scheduling, cutting the number of schools from the ranks, putting a true CAP on NIL schools can spend, it's just oing to be a ratings bonanza for the same blue blood schools every year, a couple of token schools get in and the beat goes on.
     
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  13. Steel_Elvis

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    I’m sure that if a team forfeited a conference championship game, the committee would dump them. I’m not sure where you’re reading nonsense like that. Even if they benched starters but still played the game, the committee could - and likely would - dump them. Only conference champs have automatic bids.
     
  14. Steelpens65

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    Smu coach said… how about my whole team gets Covid and we don’t play Championship Game? Do we get penalized or would it be beneficial for us, in case we lost?
    All i know is SMU better win, coz they are gonna be dumped in favor of Alabama. Before you retort, Alabama is already in, but if Clemson wins they get automatic bid. Chances are instead of bumping Alabama out they will instead drop SMU.
     
  15. Steel_Elvis

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    Context matters. He was making a point in response to the CFP committee chair saying something about the committee’s evaluation being complete for teams that do not play again. His point was that if they couldn’t play because the team was all sick, there would be no additional data point to consider, but if they play and lose they could be bumped. He wasn’t saying that he would do that. He was basically complaining in a roundabout way that the committee could punish a team for earning a berth in a conference championship game.
     
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  16. Steelpens65

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    About the so called no more data points. So, if Clemson beats SMU, Gamecocks beat the ACC Champion. But thats not a data point? Hmmm? Still as political as ever
    Also, you beat the 12 team and only moved up 1 spot?? Forget the head to head losses to Ole Miss and Alabama. Coz if you remember Tennessee beat Alabama, than Tennessee lost to Arkansas and they immediately jumped back over Tennessee.
    Plus, during 6 game Gamecock win streak, both Bama and Ole Miss each lost 2?! I call bull****
     
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  17. Steel_Elvis

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    Someone on ESPN this AM (I think it was Roman Harper) talked about the South Carolina situation in particular and said that the committee is looking at the resume for the full season, and not at who happens to be hot right now. Bottom line is that Alabama (and Ole Miss) beat South Carolina head to head. Alabama also beat Georgia and Mizzou from the top 20. Both teams have 3-1 records vs Top 25 teams. He also said that Alabama would have won that last playoff spot using the old BCS formula as well. I’d rather see South Carolina in there, but if the committee did that Alabama would have a very legit argument that they won head to head.
     
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  18. KnoxVegasSteel

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    Sure seems like there is bias toward Bama. Just by the eye test alone, they are not one of the12 best teams in CFB, nevermind the 3 losses with 2 being to .500 unranked teams. That is not playoff worthy IMO. But like @Vox Ferrum@Vox Ferrum said earlier, it's about the money and ratings. SC is not going to bring the same $$$ in.
     
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  19. Vox Ferrum

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    This is the first year, if it brings in ratings and proves to be a success there will be some pats on backs and try to find ways to expand the cash flow, lol. There will always be some controversy no matter how far out they expand it. You can only go so far, the season cannot go much longer, but they could do something like they have in the BB tournament, have only the top 2 get byes, expand to 14 or 16 and use the first games as a play in to get to 12.
     
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  20. S.T.D

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    Of course SMU didn't win....the only top 25 team they beat all year was Pitt....who hadn't beat a top 25 team. LoL
     
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  21. Rollers

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    I think Nick Saban said why should you schedule tough games? Line up as many creampuffs as you can and take them to the woodshed. I guess he's somewhat right
     
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  23. Steelpens65

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    Guess Illinois wasn't that bad? I didn't watch but a lot of sportsmanship controversy. Sad.

     
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  25. Steelpens65

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    We also had key players opt out…no excuse… we lost. But bowl games are jokes, you’re true team isn’t playing due to players opting out
     

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