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Discussion in 'College Football Talk' started by S.T.D, Nov 30, 2024 at 6:42 PM.

  1. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    No team deserves to be in the Final 12, if a 9-3 team that has faced 6 top 25 team doesn't.
    I will be highly pissed, and confused if South Carolina doesn't make it, and I will be wondering what the hell a teams credentials must be to make it.
     
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  2. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    They’re playing better than Alabama and Ole Miss now, but they lost head to head to both teams in the 1st half of the season, and that may ultimately knock them out.
     
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  3. steel machine

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    So NCAA has a 12 team Playoff format???? Is it decided by record??? Is it the AP top 20 list?? Would it be the winners of the ACC, Big Ten, etc.????

    To bad it won't be Pitt/Arkansas
     
  4. KnoxVegasSteel

    KnoxVegasSteel Well-Known Member

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    Except that the playoff doesn't really include the 12 best teams in the country. I agree SC deserves it more than Bama or Ole Miss but neither of those teams should be in it either with 3 losses and not playing for a conference championship.
     
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  5. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    In no matter what happens next weekend:
    Oregon 12-0
    Texas 11-1
    Penn State 11-1
    Indiana 11-1
    SMU 11-1
    Notre Dame 11-1
    Georgia 10-2
    Tennessee 10-2
    Ohio State 10-2
    Big 12 champ
    Boise State/UNLV winner

    That’s 11 out of 12 who are already set with two of the games being play-in games.

    if Clemson wins the ACC title, that sets the field. If Clemson loses, who does the committee put into the last spot? 10-2 Miami? One of the 3-loss SEC teams? I’d rather see South Carolina, but I don’t see it happening. If the committee decides to put in a 3-loss SEC team, it then has to decide which 3-loss SEC team to put in. It’s much simpler to just give the final slot to a 2-loss Miami team (that failed in the last week of the season when it had a chance to get into its conference championship game).

    Maybe if Clemson mops the floor with SMU, the committee will knock out SMU and put someone else in.

    An issue that I have with the 12 team format is that the biggest conference championship games next weekend only matter for seeding. Texas and Georgia are in, and Oregon and Penn State are in. The ACC game probably only matters for Clemson in terms of a CFP berth. If there were an 8 team format (which was what I wanted) every conference championship game would have meaning. The only team heading into a conference championship game that would be 100% safe would be Oregon.
     
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  6. Steelpens65

    Steelpens65 Well-Known Member

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    But Alabama lost to Oklahoma and Vanderbilt… in which SC went on the road and dismantled both of them
     
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  7. Steelpens65

    Steelpens65 Well-Known Member

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    It is what it is. Notre Dame loses to a high school team in Northern Illinois, yet they are top 5?! Plus, they don’t even play in a conference!?
    It’s still about the brand. Alabama and Ole Miss just lost… doesn’t matter they beat us head to head last month. SC the hottest team right now.
    Penn State only good win was against the real USC. They are going to get blown off the field by Oregon and I am a big Penn State fan!
    Also adding we got $ucked sideways by the refs in LSU game. Plus we didn’t have our starting quarterback the whole second half!
     
  8. Steelpens65

    Steelpens65 Well-Known Member

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    Sc only the 4th team in NCAA history to beat 4 ranked teams in a calendar month!
     
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  9. Steelpens65

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    Notre Dame and Ohio State not playing for conference championship. Also, add Indiana. Sorry my man Tennessee also
     
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  10. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    Again
    You can win a lot of games if You play nobody.
    Name Me one team besides South Carolina that has faced 6 top 25 teams, and has a winning record besides South Carolina.
    If who You play doesn't matter.....then every team should be like ND, and not be in a conference, and make there own schedule. If they don't make it ....it's a sham.
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  11. Wardismvp

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    Go SMU!
     
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  12. Born2Steel

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    It is a sham. It has been a sham for decades. Go back to when they all played Bowl games and then we sometimes got dual champions. THAT system was more legit than what we have now.

    You rank all the teams from the SEC, Big10, Big12, and ACC in the top25, as many as you can fit. Now, have them play each other all year and all their wins and losses are against ranked teams. WOW!!!

    I'm hoping the plan to create an NIL cap per program passes. You will still have programs paying over the cap and under the table, but it will create more equality and parity across all of college football.

    College basketball can do this correctly, every other division of college football can do this correctly, why does this division of college sports continue to get it wrong every single year?
     
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  13. KnoxVegasSteel

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    All those teams have better records :shrug:. Just my opinion, but I just don't see a 3 loss team getting in. Playoff committee could see things differently. It's been pretty clear that nobody knows their criteria, not even themselves.
     
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  14. S.T.D

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    Well I watch teams like Pitt, Colorado, Clemson and SMU play teams that weren't ranked, and go undefeated against unranked teams, and as soon as they played ranked teams they got beat. So the ranking has to mean something. Hell look at Clemson for example....they played 2 rank teams. Lost to both.....
     
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  15. KnoxVegasSteel

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    I agree with you that strength of schedule is important. I also don't think you are giving enough weighting to record, especially conference record. SC has 3 losses in conference and the 2 other teams in SEC with same conference record ahead of them beat them H2H and the team ahead of those teams all have better conference records. This has always been a debate in college football and will be what the committee has to decide on. It isn't black and white and someone is going to get left out and be butt hurt.
     
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  16. S.T.D

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    Then the team with the least amount of wins against top 25 teams should be left out. It should matter. Only two teams in the whole NCAA played 6 top 25 teams this year.....again only 2 teams did this.....South Carolina who went 9-3, and the Razorbacks who went 6-6.
    How should a team that has less loses,,but played less top 25 teams get in over a team that has played the most top 25 teams, and still has a 9-3 record??? It makes no sense.
     
  17. Born2Steel

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    Not picking on SC, but by their current schedule they played 5 top25 teams and went 3-2. This is what I mean by the preseason rankings skew the entire season for all of college football. "But they were ranked when we played them" is the cry of those fans. Of course they were, everybody in your conference was ranked at that time, is what's wrong with the system. Do away with preseason rankings!!!! Rank programs after 6 weeks of actually playing games. You are not eligible to be ranked until you have played your 6th game of the season. Some programs will still get benefit of schedule, but you won't know that going into the season. Vandy and SC were actually better than picked to be preseason, LSU and Mizzou were actually worse than picked to be preseason. Just stop with the preseason guesses that carry any weight at all toward strength of schedule. How much does strength of schedule mean in the NFL? It does come into play, just way down the list.
     
  18. Steelpens65

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    4-2 after Clemson win
     
  19. Born2Steel

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    The schedule only lists 5
     
  20. KnoxVegasSteel

    KnoxVegasSteel Well-Known Member

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    So who would you leave out to put SC in? Whoever you leave out will have an argument to be in just like SC. This is why it's important for the committee to have documented criteria, which they don't. Someone will get hosed.
     
  21. Steelpens65

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    In the last month we beat these teams that were ranked when we played them:
    Texas A&M
    Vanderbilt
    Missouri
    Clemson
     
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  22. Born2Steel

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    Which brings back the point of preseason rankings. Vandy is no longer in the top25, can't count that one even though they beat Bama. I'm not sure why Mizzou is still in the top25, which of their wins was impressive?. Wasn't LSU ranked in the teens when SC played them? Both A&M and Mizzou were ranked below SC when those games were played. How much weight should those carry vs teams that are ranked ahead? It is all arbitrary and subjective. Because it starts out that way. I can argue one side, you can argue the other, and we will BOTH be right.
     
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  23. Steelpens65

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    Associated Press Top 25

    First-place votes in parentheses

    TEAM REC.
    1. Oregon (62) 12-0
    2. Texas 11-1
    3. Penn State 11-1
    4. Notre Dame 11-1
    5. Georgia 10-2
    6. Tennessee 10-2
    7. Ohio State 10-2
    8. SMU 11-1
    9. Indiana 11-1
    10. Boise State 11-1
    11. Alabama 9-3
    12. Arizona State 10-2
    13. South Carolina 9-3
    14. Miami 10-2
    15. Ole Miss 9-3
    16. Iowa State 10-2
    17. BYU 10-2
    18. Clemson 9-3
    19. UNLV 10-2
    20. Colorado 9-3
    21. Illinois 9-3
    22. Missouri 9-3
    23. Syracuse 9-3
    24. Army 10-1
    25. Memphis 10-2
     
  24. Steelpens65

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    We jumped Ole Miss… we lose by 2 to Alabama yet they are 2 spots ahead of us. And they lost the past weekend?!
    SC beat #12 team
    Alabama beat an unranked Auburn
    Go figure
     
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  25. Steelpens65

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    Notre Dame… they lost to a high school team this year!
     
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