If you had your choice, would you give up on Tomlin?

There is a large majority of roster turnover every 4 or 5 years. So most of the players that heard Tomlin's message 4 or 5 years ago are gone.

It's not about motivational speeches anyways. It's about execution on the field. Ben isn't playing up to his potential. As a result, it's having a huge impact on the entire team. I am hopeful that Ben can play better. He's shown flashes of good play. He needs to play well more consistently.

I am sure Tomlin was disappointed that the team didn't win the Superbowl. Those opportunities don't come around often. Just because the team didn't win the Superbowl doesn't mean that he shouldn't be proud of the team's accomplishments.

The Steelers are not going to win the Superbowl every year. I am satisfied with this team's ability to remain competitive and to continue to make the playoffs until they can win another Superbowl. Maybe some people would be happier if the Steelers turn into perennial losers? That way people can really have a coaching carousel like the Browns and other losing organizations.

Now is not the time to replace Tomlin. That time might not come for 2 or 3 seasons. People need to have more patience like the owners of the organization.

 

I have no clue who that is.

 

To me it seems there are two types of Head Coaches. The first is the Xs and Os guru who thinks of 3rd down tendencies during coitus. And I just wanted to use coitus in a sentence, so thanks for the opportunity. The second type is the organizer/manager. Do both types dabble in the other areas of course. But we all know MT is not an Xs and Os guy. I think MT is more of an overseer who puts a lot of trust in his coordinators to do the bulk of the game planning, play implementation, etc. Just my feeling on it.

With that said, I'd rather go with new coordinators. I've had issues with Butler since last year and I was a Haley supporter until this year, but the start of this season is really disappointing to say the least. This offense should be top 3. Haley needs to get in Ben's azz but the relationship has been tenuous since Ben's "Rosetta Stone" comments all the way back to the beginning.

KC and MT have crafted a good roster, the problem in my eyes is more in the playbook side of it. If MT is more of the second type of HC like I think he is, that's fine, both types of HCs can win the super bowl. MT would just need a change in coordinators imo.

But I'll comment on both sides of the argument. If a new HC is warranted, how about Urban Meyer? Is he willing to make the jump to the pros. He definitely seems to have some fire. Any OSU followers hear of his thoughts on it?

 

Tomlin just signed a extension thru 2020, so he's not going anywhere.

 

Well, “We know the game and we're gonna play it” does sound like imposing our will.

 

Out of interest, do you judge Noll's ability on his post-Bradshaw seasons?

Cowher's on all seasons save the O'Donnell and Ben years...?

 

I named Munch in my 1st post of the thread, Mac made many good points. Remember this thread isn't about what you think the Steelers should do but what you feel they should do, we all know MT isn't going anywhere. I have stuck up for MT and really am not much into firing a coach, in my post I said I would wait until the season is over but if we sucked it up again this week I would make the move.

You make great points however at what point do you say enough is enough. Like Mac pointed out MT took over a very good team and had the one thing that seams to elude the "new" coaches, a franchize QB. I am not going to get into the whole Cowhers players thing cause it don't mean nothing right now. I am answering the OP with yeah I would make the move and replace him with Munch if we stink it up this week. jmo

 

way to generalize it. if the head coach doesn't have the ability to change a game plan or offensive decisions of that game plan he's of no use. if he can't ask his bosses for a change if things are going south then he's of no use. your right this is the big leagues and the head coach has more say so than you think. he doesn't just show up for press conferences. they entrust him to make this billion dollar industry work for this team. they don't just throw him this guy and that guy and say make it work. get real. BA was let go because he didn't do what the owner wanted. he told him to run the ball more effectively. he didn't. he also wanted his investment of a franchise qb protected by doing so. he didn't. he still doesn't to this day.

 

Tomlin has always been a bad in game coach. That being said this year is all on Ben. Ben has played the worse football in his career.

 

i think john mitchell would get his shot before munch would. he's been the assistant head coach for years.

 

If Tomlin ever leaves it will be on his own terms.
The last head coach that was fired by the Steelers was back in 1969.

Noll left on his own terms as did Cowher. I would expect the same with Tomlin.

Noll had some terrible teams in the mid to late 80's and never got canned.

Cowher had some god awful teams. in 1998-1999, 2000, 2003, and he never got canned, and that was before he ever even won a super bowl.

Tomlin has never had a below .500 team in 11 seasons. He's been to two superbowls winning one, and 3 AFC Championship games winning 2.

Pretty sure he will be staying put. Even though he sucks against bad teams. That is my take.

 

I'd get rid of Tomlin if Jon Gruden would commit to taking the job. He left the Raiders and then took a struggling Tampa team to a SB victory, he knew how to get the most of each player in each position. I'd also let him bring in his own coordinators, the only one safe would be Munch, that is it.

 

Urban is not going to be going anytime soon I do not think.


Like many, Urban is better with the hands on approach of obtaining his own players through his own rules. Not too sure if he would like someone else calling the shots.

 

Well, thank you for acknowledging my 'great point'. At what point is enough enough? I might wait a little longer than 5 games after an AFCCG appearance to declare 'enough is enough' for a team that still has a winning record. If this team falls apart, goes 6-10 or something, I'd listen to the argument. But they were 4-5 last yr, and they salvaged things. I'll give then the chance to do the same now, support is not opened ended, but I need to see more than this.

 

John Gruden took Tony Dungy’s team in its entirety to the SB. They crashed and burned the next year then he got S-canned. Tony changed teams and took the Colts to a victory. Gruden is a Barry Switzer clone that is exactly where he should be. I read these blogs and cannot believe that with this coach’s winning record, successful draft picks, playoff appearances and championship, people what him to go. *Mod Edit* - Don't go there.

 

Mike Tomlin has 5 division titles and 7 playoff appearances in 10 seasons, two AFC championships and a SB win. He has had 7 double digit victory seasons and has never finished below .500.

 

Dead on....and that is our biggest problem not enough Xs and Os being taught....too much reliance on talent to save the day. Teams aren't scared by the names on the back of our jerseys. We actually have to perform ,that goes for players and coaches ....I don't see any positive rapport between Ben and Haley during the game. So since Haley "obviously " isn't going anywhere toss him up to the booth so maybe we can see things from a different perspective....please do something.....anything.

 

Joe Louis.......I mean John Mitchell is 137 years old......

 

Whew you said what I was thinking and would have written but I couldn't stop laughing at how foolish that person's comments were.

You don't can a winning coach who still reaches players. For me there have been more than 1 occasion in the past 3 years when Tomlin got his team to respond after bad losses or bad starts, that's all I needed to see.....that he hasn't lost the TEAM. You get rid of Coordinators, they're a dime a dozen but not coaches.
I find it comical when the question is asked "who do you replace Tomlin with" and the responses I see.
A coach has to be able to win, have players respect him, draft well and make changes. Didn't Tomlin make a change with the Oline coach, D Coach. Didn't he just Bench Eli (for all those who claim he's too chummy with players)
2 coaches have better records than Tomlin...2 , Bellicheck and McCarthy and the QB's on those teams are Elite, Ben has never been in that category, he was a Tier 2 QB but never Brees, Manning, Rodgers, or Brady.
Please stop with these post btw how's BA doing in Arizona (for those that were drooling for Bruce ball just because he had a year of 2 of success)
A new Coordinator maybe but it's too soon to make that decision but coach Ha!

 

You ain't missing much brother hahahahahaha

 

Absolutely. Never been a good coach and never will. OC and DC need to go too.

 

Yes...Noll, and especially Cowher won games with Bubby Brister, and Kent Graham. Thats my point really. Same with Belichick and Brady....People call Bill a genius but he has never won the big game without arguably the greatest QB of all time at center. He has however made bad backup QB's a TON of money as they went on to other teams, but never achieved the success they had in NE.


Anyone can win games and look great with a true franchise QB calling the shots...Hence Barry Switzer.

It took Noll Bradshaw
Cowher and Tomlin both had Ben.

HACK

 

I pretty much gave up on Tomlin after last seasons AFCCG.

I also am a realist and do not see him being relived of his duties before 2020.

 

And did you see Ben's comments about his post 5 Int game. I'll paraphrase, since I can't remember where I read it. "So I talked to my agent since he played some QB in college and asked him what I am doing wrong" Seriously....your agent? I've always thought Randy Fichtner was a waste of space, but maybe the QB coach might be the one to ask or maybe your OC Haley? Just thought that was an odd person to ask for advice and to me just adds to the speculation Ben and Haley may not fully trust each other.