if this is the fist pick

my premise was not using moye as an every down guy or j brown. we were talking about cooks added to the squad and moye and brown as red zone targets. I'm saying if this is the case we already have taller guys here for that purpose. do we know they can't do this? do we know evans can? both no. evans or any of the new wr's in this draft will never be deep threats either in this league which helps defenses. I still think we will go after Benjamin though. don't know why but just my gut feeling. Benjamin fuller or roby Matthews. I wouldn't be disappointed either way. I'm not very high on ebron or evans.

 

Mike Evans is going to be a VERY GOOD player at the next level and he's obvioiusly highly touted. He's big, has good speed, creates separation and knows how to go get a contested ball. I realize that just because you're a big receiver doesn't guarantee success, but the Ratbirds won the Super Bowl year before last BECAUSE they rode the shoulders of a big receiver all the way to victory. You take Boldin off that team, they don't sniff the BIG GAME!

 

might as well draft 3 big ones and throw the ball up for grabs every play too.

 

I wouldn't have a problem if they drafted cooks as the replacement for sanders. moore is there for stability if AB were to go down for some reason. I wouldn't have a problem with then drafting a second guy, not to start as cooks can do, but to go against what we have in moye and brown. brown is the longshot here anyway. he's more of a possession receiver. I'm looking at a later proven guy from the college ranks say a jeff Janis, brandon coleman, devin street, or even hoffman. instead of 4 TE's now with heath and spaeth back healthy, add a tall specialty receiver that doesn't have to play the #2 spot. I could see us keeping 6. 2 big, 4 fast, 2 of them vets,2 of them 2nd year, 2 of them rookies.

 

I wouldn't have a problem if they drafted cooks as the replacement for sanders. moore is there for stability if AB were to go down for some reason. I wouldn't have a problem with then drafting a second guy, not to start as cooks can do, but to go against what we have in moye and brown. brown is the longshot here anyway. he's more of a possession receiver. I'm looking at a later proven guy from the college ranks say a jeff Janis, brandon coleman, devin street, or even hoffman. instead of 4 TE's now with heath and spaeth back healthy, add a tall specialty receiver that doesn't have to play the #2 spot. I could see us keeping 6. 2 big, 4 fast, 2 of them vets,2 of them 2nd year, 2 of them rookies. I also don't see wheaton and moye having to come up with 10 TD's either. not while heath only had one last year. heath is healthy again and will take up a lot of that slack. cotch didn't do that when heath was healthy.

 

I like Evans just not at 15. If he was head and shoulders above the rest then I would say grab him while you can. The thing is that this draft is deep in big/tall receivers so I don't see the need to get one so high. I have a hard time seeing anyone in this draft,outside of maybe Watkins unseat AB as our number 1. So basically we are looking for someone to take some of the pressure off of AB. I feel there are a number of talented WRs in this draft that can do that from the 2nd round on down. That is unless of course we trade back and someone then becomes more valuable.

 

No, let's just draft a bunch of speedy midgets and let them outrun everybody!

 

didn't we win SB's with that type? how many have we won with a tall receiver?

 

I think the point that needs to be made is that we can have a balance. It's nice to have differing skill sets among your receiver group and don't tell me that Moye and Brown have the same skill set that Mike Evans has. Evans will be a top 10 pick in all likelihood and Moye and Brown are both late round draft picks. If a tall receiver is overrated, why do you think Ben keeps clamoring for one. Quarterbacks love 'em!

 

Stallworth was 6'2 which was pretty tall by the standards in those days. I do recall that we won a few when he was on the team.

 

I think that's what I'm more afraid of. ben liking that. ben likes to go deep. I don't want him to count on that as an offense.

haley has ben coming around and believing in this thing now and we are finally starting to see what he can do with better protection, and he's deadly. I think cooks or Matthews are the more disciplined #2 capable types out there, but cooks brings a whole couple of different skill sets to the table. there's nothing wrong with getting a big receiver, but I'd hate to see the jump ball become a big part of bens game at this stage. we tried to make AB and sanders deep threats, but they just don't have that second gear like cooks has. add return skills and another guy to take that short game the distance at anytime like AB, and still capable of running good routes to move the chains and he brings a lot more to the offense then chuck and pray.

the stink birds had other weapons too and a real good defense in the playoffs. they were lucky on many a chuck it up plays. seattle didn't win it that way last year, and boldins new team didn't win it at all.

 

It works for Calvin Johnson being a jump ball specialist, then why did the Steelers struggle in the redzone?

 

not sure but I think he was talking about recently

 

hes also 5 ft 9 .... so i guess hes about right for the typical steelers WR...if we every get a 6ft receiver i got his nick name .. "BIG MAN" lol


HINES

 

tall receivers don't mean success in red zone. I think Arizona, Atlanta both with big wrs were behind us

 

yep he was the offense back then. throw it up to the big guy. really jack?

 

You asked a question, mac, and I answered it. And Stallworth WAS a big part of the offense then. Your implication is that I want to draft a big receiver and then let Ben play basketball ref all day and throw up jump balls. That's not the case! I would like to draft a big guy with TALENT and Evans fits the bill. And the implication by you and others that a big man makes no difference in the RZ is RIDICULOUS!

 

Calvin is far from a jump ball specialist. It's his size and speed combo that transforms him into Megatron. There isn't a CJ in this draft,they don't come around too often. We struggle in the redzone because of a lack of execution plain and simple. Too many mistakes when there is no margin for error.

Evans does fit the bill but so do a few other guys. Too much depth at WR in this draft and too many other holes to draft one so early. I don't think his size makes him a must have. I think there are other guys in that size range that are more well rounded and can be had later. I agree that a big WR should make a difference in the redzone but you still have to execute. If we are talking jump ball specialists I feel we already have that guy for the redzone in Moye,why not? Sometimes just having that threat on the outside is more dangerous than the threat itself. If we are looking for a better more complete WR regardless of height I feel we can do better than Evans and later.

 

Agreed. I want a technical route runner. That's what makes AB so great. We need a guy with the best size/speed/quickness ratio there is. I agree with you on Matthews I think TTF turned a lot if us on to him. Maybe somehow he is there in the 2nd or in a trade back scenario. Really too much depth to go that early on a WR. We have had a proven track record with them in the later rounds. Not so much when picked early. I think we can continue the trend. If any of the top two CBs are there I think that's where we go. I feel defense is the pick at 15 one way or the other unless one of the top OL fall too far to pass up. I'm on the Donald bandwagon til the wheels fall off. I know...scheme but the more I read up and watch of him I just dream of him and Heyward goin' off. I saw a breakdown somewhere that said he isn't as scheme specific as he seems to be based on his measurables. He played in a 3-4 alignment at Pitt. two seasons ago and racked up 11 sacks........can you say "football" player.