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id love to see a poll... is ben elite

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by HinesWardHOF, Dec 23, 2012.

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  1. truckin9999

    truckin9999 Well-Known Member

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    Like what you said.. no fight there. But Payton has been in 2 SBs. He beat the Bears and lost to the Saints.
     
    truckin9999, Dec 29, 2012
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  2. ballhair

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    What are you waiting for. There are nut suckers such as Tomlin the queef above and apparently yourself that believe Ben is a top five QB (haha). I put him at number 20. I'm basing my Ben bashing on the last two seasons specifically. You have the number one defense in the league and hopefully end up 8-8. I put this mostly on Ben. What you say, he got injured? Like last year he got injured because he was too stupid to throw the ball away. Was it worth the wait?:lolol:
     
    ballhair, Dec 29, 2012
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  3. ballhair

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    <Mod edit>

    Let's tone it down...
     
    ballhair, Dec 29, 2012
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  4. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    So in addition to having a low IQ, you're memory is shot too? <Mod Edit>. Like I said, you're a troll. Blount, we were right, he had no intelligent reply and answered with an insult. Thanks for being predictable ballhair! You're so pathetic, keep stalking me, it's fun beating you up :roflmao:
     
    Blast Furnace, Dec 29, 2012
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  5. Steeldefense08

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    But on the other hand, Ben was only like 50yds shy of last years total yds thrown. Just imagine not throwing those picks and having a HALF PRODUCTIVE offense.
     
    Steeldefense08, Dec 29, 2012
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  6. blountforcetrauma

    blountforcetrauma Well-Known Member

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    Oh yeah!!! LOL. I wasn't even thinking about the one he lost.
     
    blountforcetrauma, Dec 29, 2012
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  7. blountforcetrauma

    blountforcetrauma Well-Known Member

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    LOL. I ask you for specific STATS. You produce NONE. So based on last year when we were 12-4 you think that Ben sucks? Since Ben is "top 20" in your estimation are you saying that last year 19 other qbs were better than Ben? Did 19 other qbs lead their team to BETTER than a 12-4 record? You really need to sale your computer on ebay dude because you're gonna really make a fool of yourself if you keep hanging around here. I just don't understand why you insist on calling people names for liking Ben. I never hurled a personal insult at you. I honestly wanted to know your reasoning behind what you are saying. You didn't answer any of the questions I asked you either. I'm still curious to know if you think those other guys are elite. You know who Terry Bradshaw is right? He used to play for the Steelers back in the 70's and early 80's. That was probably about 25 years or so before you were born. He was actually benched at one point in his career. Was he elite or not? Also Peyton has only won ONE SB to which he threw for a pick and a td and had less than 300 yds. Is he elite or not? Also Peyton's playoff record is right around .500. Ben's is well above that. Is Peyton elite or not? Ben and Peyton BOTH have game winning td's. It's just that Ben's went to HIS team and Peyton's went to the OTHER. Is Peyton elite or not? There is no possible way that you honestly would put Ben as the 20th ranked qb and you know it. If I lined up all the qbs numbers in the league over the last 5 years and asked you to rate your top 5 or 10 Ben would be in there. But based on your bias you can't admit it openly and if it's not bias it is something even worse. Ignorance. So I ask you again in front of everyone on here. What STATS do you have to prove that Ben is worse than 19 other qbs in the league? And again stiiiiillllll waiting.....
     
    blountforcetrauma, Dec 29, 2012
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  8. lersgofor7

    lersgofor7 Well-Known Member

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    Here ya go ballhair
    As far as Ben not being Elite :facepalm:

    Here is the stats to show he clearly is one of the "elite" Qbs in the league ..there is about 27 other teams that would take him in a heartbeat

    Ben is Top 5 in YPA all time! This some argue is the most important stat for a QB!! guess what? 3 of the others played 50 years ago...

    He is #9 all time QB Rating!

    He has 2 Super Bowl Wins 3 Appearances

    He is 4th all time for a starting QB for winning %

    He has 30 4thQ Comebacks or Game winning Drives 3 in the playoffs and 1 in a super bowl

    Currently 39th on the all time yardage list and will probably be top 10 when he is done...

    He was on his way to a career year before a freak injury

    If this is not HOF ELite Material IDK what is...

    He had a bad 3 game stretch after he dislocated a rib... hell be fine for the next 5-7 years...
     
    lersgofor7, Dec 30, 2012
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  9. blountforcetrauma

    blountforcetrauma Well-Known Member

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    Yep. I'd say that's pretty elite. But how about the stats for the 19 ahead of him in Ballhair's mind? I guess we'll let Ballhair dig those stats up.
     
    blountforcetrauma, Dec 30, 2012
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  10. D0bre Shunka

    D0bre Shunka Well-Known Member

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    Add to that he is 25th quarterback in NFL history to amass 25,000 yards passing and 1,000 yards rushing in the regular season.

    He's not only elite, but i suspect before it's all said and down he will enter into very top tier of even the elites.
     
    D0bre Shunka, Dec 30, 2012
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  11. freakfontana

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    when he is healthy is elite , the problem he is often injuried
     
    freakfontana, Dec 30, 2012
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  12. lersgofor7

    lersgofor7 Well-Known Member

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    I think hes already there... and a surefire HOFer
     
    lersgofor7, Dec 30, 2012
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  13. lersgofor7

    lersgofor7 Well-Known Member

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    I think we would be waiting a looong time for that...

    Does he even know what Elite means? ----> The best or most skilled members of a group
     
    lersgofor7, Dec 30, 2012
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  14. lersgofor7

    lersgofor7 Well-Known Member

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  15. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    The thing with Ben is though, he often plays through injuries but unfortunately at a lot less effective rate. Pisses me off that he got hurt so bad this year because he was taken much less punishment then in years past, not to mention the play he got hurt on didn't even look like much. If he can manage not to get too nicked up, I guarantee he will lead us to at least one more SB victory.
     
    Blast Furnace, Dec 30, 2012
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  16. blountforcetrauma

    blountforcetrauma Well-Known Member

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    Stiiiiillllll waiting.......
     
    blountforcetrauma, Dec 30, 2012
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  17. Greg the man Lloyd

    Greg the man Lloyd Well-Known Member

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    Yes he is a top 5 qb in this league. With him in the game we can win every game we play. When healthy he is much better. So yes he is Elite. Not his best season but will have great season next year when his wr's actually come to camp to get work with their QB
     
    Greg the man Lloyd, Dec 30, 2012
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  18. Steel_Elvis

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    I think that he was elite. He had a certain clutch mojo where you knew that he would somehow make the big play at the right time. Most of those 4th quarter comebacks and big wins came before he had a mediocre game against Green Bay in SB 45. I think it's pretty questionable whether he has been elite since then. There have been very few clutch plays in big spots. Is he still a top QB? Yes. However, he is not playing well in clutch situations.
     
    Steel_Elvis, Dec 30, 2012
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  19. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Beer is good

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    This didn’t age well

    IMHO

    I might be slow in responding?
     
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  20. Roonatic

    Roonatic Well-Known Member

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    Elite football player in my book jeh. Many clutch moments.

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  21. steel machine

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    An inch off and we have 5 Super Bowls and a disdain for the Bus for awhile. I could never hate the Bus forever.
     
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  22. uncblue012

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    The throw to Santonio was as clutch as it gets. Yes, the catch will be what people remember but Ben put it where literally no one BUT Holmes could get it. Pure beauty.
     
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  23. Ravens_Fan_N_Pitt

    Ravens_Fan_N_Pitt Well-Known Member

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    I would say yes he looks very poised out there and has a great offense around him helps as well.
     
    Ravens_Fan_N_Pitt, Oct 28, 2020
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  24. steelersrock151

    steelersrock151 Well-Known Member

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    People forget that the play before that Santonio let a much easier catch go between his hands.
     
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  25. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Beer is good

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    Yes we do
     
    jeh1856, Oct 28, 2020
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