I wonder if a young Ben Roethlisberger would have been traded away by Tomlin and Khan???

I've seen that one and agree. This was the same one that focused on the ridiculous amount of front office talent they had in the organization at that time, right?

 

It is funny to see the stalker talk about leaving one of the guys he stalks alone. As always with him, every accusation is a confession. I can't imagine lying about one's own posts just to troll someone else, but he does it all the time, then brags about getting a response.

 

I said I saw him take them to the playoffs, but Belichick record without Brady is 83 - 104. That's far from just Cleveland days. He has a losing record in NE without Brady also.

 

Hes not the only one.

 

How people just let feelings override actual fact is freaking funny. I wonder how it is to live in fantasy land.
Here are actual facts.
Belichick without Brady in NE has a losing record, and no playoff wins.
Belichick without Brady in Cleveland has a losing record.
Belichick without Brady, the same Qb that won a SB after he left Belichick record is 83, and 104.
Mike Tomlins record without Ben is 66 -51 - 2.
This is not a hard thing if you take out your delicate feelings. One has a winning record without his HOF Qb, and one doesn't.
Hey ,but don't let facts get in your way. LoL.

 

Why you don't count the record of Belichick with Brady?

Brady was not a all-time great QB yet in his first 5 years when the pats won 3 super bowl too....He was good in 2001,2003 and very good in 2004 but he was still not the QB he was from 2007 to 2021

 

They had Ozzie Newsome, Scott Pioli, Mike Lombardi, Mike Tannenbaum, and Thomas Dimitroff. Dimitroff was GM of the Falcons team that made the Super Bowl. Pioli was director of player personnel with the Patriots, then GM of the Chiefs. Newsome was one of the best general managers in the NFL with the Ravens.

Nick Saban, Kirk Ferentz, Eric Mangini, and Jim Schwartz were also assistant coaches on that team.

 

How many Super Bowls did Tomlin win? How many Super Bowls did Belichick win?

What is Belichick's record vs Tomlin?

 

Belichick was also the only defensive coach who could stop the WCO of the 49ers in the playoffs when they had Montana

The 49ers had only 19 points combined in the 3 playoffs game against Belichick as DC of the giants in the playoffs with the great Joe Montana

 

Brady was not the reason they were winning at the beginning of that dynasty. It was the combination of Belichick and Brady that was great.

 

Please do learn to read.
Because it was said that without Brady Belichick was a better HC still.
Now tell me did Brady win a SB without Belichick??
If Brady didn't win a SB without Belichick this would be different, but we seen he didn't need Belichick.
Without their HOF Qbs one HC has a winning record (Tomlin), and the other has a bad losing record (Belichick).

 

Tomlin is the greatest coach ever. Better than Belichick, better than Reid, better than Walsh, better than Gibbs, better than Noll. How will Steelers ever exist without coach popcorn?

 

How people want to twist it. Belichick is 83 - 104 without a Qb that won after he left him.
Tomlin is 66 - 51 -2 without his HOF Qb.
Also I see the same little girls that said Tomlins record against McVay, and Vrable means nothing, but now are asking what Tomlins record was against Belichick. LoL
Oh the sweet irony of it all. LoL

 

My point Brady was not that great at the start of his career...Bruce Arians was also a very good head coach in his career with several 10-13 wins season in Indy or Arizona despite below average roster

This is also true that Belichick was a poor GM at the end,it was his biggest problem but he was still a very good coach....His defense was still great

 

Where do you see this question in this thread?

In your own mind I guess

 

McVay's post season record after 9 seasons: 10-6
Tomlin's post season record after 19 seasons: 8-12

Ouch. That one's gonna leave a mark.

 

Try learning to read

 

Awesome, I do believe that a winning record.

 

At least Mike Vrabel has a winning post season record as head coach. 5-4 > 8-12.

 

Vrabel and his staff had a coaching clinic against Tomlin last year.Not because the players of the pats make several unforced turnovers mean that Tomlin was the better coach in that game.

Same thing for the 2023 game vs rams.The kicker of the rams cost 7 points for the rams and the steelers were outplayed and outcoached during the first 3 quarter...I guess it was a coaching magic by Tomlin

 

Tomlin was Chuck Pagano in his last 5 years...winning close,losing by blowout

 

Tomlin's regular season record vs McVay and Vrabel is meaningful... while Tomlin's regular season record vs Belichick is meaningless. I don't get it.

 

That's awesome. Now if Chuck went to two SBs, and won one, and never had a losing season you might have something.