I think Swann`s comments about Megatron could backfire

I agree that Johnson has the talent to be in the HOF. Johnson had a huge frame for a guy that fast. He actually took the top off of defenses for himself haha.

But you also have to look at who doesn't make the HOF and that the stats from today so greatly outweigh all the players who came before.

Example: Jake Scott, S, Miami Dolphins. Short career from 70-78. 49 INTs. 5x Pro Bowl 5x All-Pro. Super Bowl MVP. 2x Super Bowl champion. Played on the only undefeated team in NFL history.

How is Scott not in the HOF? Or Ken Riley? Or Cliff Branch? Or Harold Carmichael?

I think Johnson is a fringe player. I have heard so many people talk about Brees inflated stats because the Saints threw so much... how does that not apply to Stafford and Johnson.

How long do you think Johnson has to wait? Scott is in his 70s now. Like you think Johnson should get in 1st ballot or have to wait 10+ years until Gonzalez, Moss, TO, Bruce, Gates, Witten are in? I mean that's just at Johnson's position. I think Charles Woodson, Ed Reed, Ray Lewis, LaDainian Tomlinson, Champ Bailey are first ballot.

How is Morten Anderson not in when he is the lading NFL scorer and holds 13 NFL records? Joe Jacoby?

Why did Haley have to wait so long? 5 rings and a dominant player in his era. Because he jerked it in team meetings? Haha.

I think the voting sucks and Swann is right that Johnson is a fringe player.

 

Correction: those TEs obviously did not play WR... but they all have better career numbers than the "HOF Megatron" who walked away healthy.

 

The more I think about it, the more I am convinced CJ is not a HOF WR at the moment. When did it get so easy to get into the HOF? The HOF isn't for guys who were really good. It isn't for guys who racked up some really good stats. It's suppose to be for the best of the best. Maybe I hold the HOF in higher regards then some...cause I think there are some guys in, that IMO shouldn't be.

If you put CJ in the HOF then you are putting him in with the likes of Jerry Rice, Art Monk, Tim Brown, Steve Largent, Randy Moss, Lynn Swann, .... these are all legends of the game. These guys were the best of the best..they dominated their era and they did it over a long period of time. I just don't see CJ at that point yet. I think he could get there for sure...but CJ put up 6 great seasons in the era of offense...were passing stats are totally inflated. So I don't think his stats are soo impressive. CJ dominated a few games here and there. He wasn't unstoppable. Those guys I listed were basically unstoppable and considered the best at their position for most of thier careers. CJ needs to either do it for a few more seasons or win a SB. Right now I think he's just a great WR. Same goes for Brown at the moment. If he retired today he would not get in either.

 

Agreed. Was it you that pointed out that Brandon Marshall has almost the exact same stats as Johnson?

Marshall was targeted 37 times in 2006 so he effectively started his career in 2007.

Marshall has +51 Rec -350 yards -4 TDs

So... Brandon Marshall for HOF? Retire today Marshall! You're in!

Except... Johnson never was accused of hitting a woman.

And... Johnson was targeted 204 times (NFL record) in a season where his QB threw 727 times (NFL record) while playing catch up in a 4-12 season so he set an NFL record that should stand up for at least another year.

 

Jerry Rice averaged 95 yards per game until he was 33... but like an ******* he kept playing past his prime out of some misguided passion for the game and competitive drive to be the best.

Didn't Rice know that he was good enough for the HOF based on stats? Why would you even play? HOF lock = hang it up. It's about accolades really.

Tyson should have quit at 20. He was established as the heavyweight champ and undefeated. He never would have lost. Why continue to fight? He would have been the best ever. Everyone would have said so because of knockout % stats.

Why are these receivers hobbling into their late 30s? Bro... you had 3 good years. Hang it up and head for the HOF. Here's your gold jacket.

 

Calvin Johnson has been injured only 9 games in his career.

In those games the lowly Detroit Lions are 5-4 without him.

49-86 with Calvin Johnson.

5-4 without.

Lions are actually better off without Johnson and his 24M cap hit. That cap hit wasn't his fault- he restructured- but it will allow the Lions space to build a real team.

 

I don't care who gets in the HOF.

It's the annoying adulation of undeserving athletes that pisses me off.

Montana fell 50 times snowboarding while trying to learn? So did I. What was the point of mentioning that?

Montana can't put weight on his left ski? What? If you can stand you can ski. There is very little impact on your knees unless you do moguls or jumps/drops. Skiing is harder on your back. I have 2 family members that use knee braces while skiing. They do fine.

I have a friend with fused veryebrae in his neck since his early 20s. He never played football though.

Find me a 59 year old that can run around like a kid. That's like 10% of the population.

I know a LOT of tradesmen with wrecked bodies. Blown knees and back. Installing flooring or tile is terrible for knees and back.

I'm 32 and my hand is already arthritic from carpentry. Been that way a couple years.

Look at the heavy heavy price soldiers pay to do their job or even cops and firemen.

I really don't feel sorry for football players when regular people wreck their bodies for a salary that is equivalent to one of Montana's game checks.

And spare me the concussion sob story I have had several. (Hard to believe right?)

 

There are health consequences to playing in the NFL but like I said they are a lot less dire than the potential health consequences of joining the military, and NFL players like CJ get paid 300x more and can walk away whenever they want.

That has nothing to do with HOF credentials.

Patrick Willis walked away early and I don't think he will get in the HOF. Willis was an All-Pro 5 times and a Pro Bowler in each of his first 7 seasons. Willis was undeniably the best at his position from his rookie season.

5 All-Pro seasons in 7 years and then he got hurt.

Willis was the Ray Lewis of his generation but he did not have the longevity that Ray did or he would be first ballot.

I don't think Willis will get in and most sportswriters seem to agree. It seems they are more upset that Megatron might not.

Megatron was a 3x All-Pro instead of 5x and a 6x Pro Bowler instead of 7x. But he did set a single season record that was held by Jerry Rice for a long time and that makes him HOF worthy to people.

Patrick Willis > Calvin Johnson

Willis went to 3 straight NFC championships and a Super Bowl on the strength of a great defense that he was the centre piece of while Johnson was accruing stats in garbage time.

Likely Johnson will get in and Willis won't even though Willis was the best at his position for 7 years and Johnson was top 5 at his position for 3 years.

 

Haha. I really don't care if CJ gets in. It will bother me if he gets in ahead of the receivers who played longer and the long list of players who had better careers.

It bothers me out of the consensus formed by these *expletive* sports writers.

It's funny that a receiver will be judged on every minutiae coming out of college but then will be ignored except for his stats when he gets to the NFL.

College: tightness in hips, doesn't catch the ball at the highest point, slow off the line, sneezes too much, occasional acne...

NFL: killed it in fantasy football last year. Guaranteed best ever.

I enjoyed arguing with you. I hope I brought up a couple points that made you think. Haha.

 

Tell us how you really feel Morris, don't hold back