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I mean, unless you're Mike Tomlin, it's hard not to like the guy

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by JKLTO, Dec 12, 2023.

  1. jeh1856

    jeh1856 I am free

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    Yes 31 other teams did not try to sign him
     
  2. jeh1856

    jeh1856 I am free

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    I can say with all honesty I agree with none of this
     
  3. ljkjr74

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    There loss. With proper coaching he would be a good QB.
     
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  4. jeh1856

    jeh1856 I am free

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    That’s funny
     
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  5. Steelpens65

    Steelpens65 Well-Known Member

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    Hilarious x2
     
  6. Wardismvp

    Wardismvp Well-Known Member

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    To each his own.
     
  7. DJ18Baller

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    He throws a decent deep ball that’s about it. Backup QB at best elsewhere.
     
  8. Tiggs99

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    Rudolph had a qb rating of 170.6 versus Pickett rating of 165.3 in their final year. He also threw for 4904 yards versus 4319 yards for Pickett in their final year. He arguably played against better competition. There is no yardstick that you can say that Pickett had a better final year. Rudolph doesn't have a weaker arm, he has better touch than Trubinsky or Pickett as he doesn't throw a hardball when he doesn't need to and his is a more catchable ball. Trubinsky and Pickett are more mobile than Rudolph, but some of the best qb's like Brady or Marino were not that mobile either. In the good games or moments he has had, he has shown me more promise than Pickett or Trubinsky. They have all had atrocious games but Trubinsky and Pickett had more to work with in that the defense has played better and running game is much better than when Mason played.
     
  9. Formerscribe

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    No, he didn't play against better competition. The ACC isn't the SEC, but the defenses Rudolph faced as a senior were horrid. Rudolph absolutely has a weaker arm. It really shows on his intermediate throws. They all have NFL arms, but his isn't good.

    The defense was carrying the team most of the time when they won in 2019, so it is a stretch to say Rudolph had less help than Pickett or Trubisky.
     
  10. Tiggs99

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    More experts rank big 12 higher than ACC, so your opinion that ACC is better is just another opinion.
    https://www.si.com/college/byu/football/paul-finebaum-ranks-the-big-12-ahead-of-the-acc-and-pac-12
    Bottom line is you do not have facts to prove that Pickett had a better final year than Mason when it’s clear by a long shot that Mason had a much better collegiate career. Also there is no arguing that running game and line is much better now than when Mason was playing. Running game makes a very big difference to a passing offense. My opinion is all three qb are bums but Mason has a chance to have Batch type success as a backup.
     
  11. Formerscribe

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    That is now. Rudolph last played college ball in 2017.

    The running game has been wildly inconsistent last season and this one. I'm sorry you don't realize that.

    Batch was limited by injuries, but he was the Lions' starting quarterback for four years. Rudolph couldn't get through one without losing his job to Duck Hodges.
     
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  12. Tiggs99

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    Pickett had one good year and his best year wasn't as good as Rudolph. Rudolph was consistently good in college Pickett good year can be considered a fluke. Everyone knows that Mason rushed back in after devastating head trauma. Duck had become fan favorite for a brief period of time. There are extenuating circumstances and that's the main reason he deserves another chance. There are no such circumstances with Pickett or Trubisky. Both have been given enough chances. The running game now is miles ahead of what it was when Mason started. If you can't see that, you are just being disingenuous.
     
  13. Hanratty#5

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    Tomlin was asked if he considered making the switch to Rudolph last week and he said that he wasn't comfortable putting Mason in since that was his first game being active in quite a while. Come on, Rudolph is in his 6th year on the team and your not comfortable with putting him in a game?
     
  14. doubleyoi

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    Hopefully McSorley is getting some "exposure in terms of in-helmet prep". Seriously though I do wonder if someone unencumbered by the years long passing game incompetence would be a better option. Not that it would happen of course.
     
  15. Formerscribe

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    No, everyone doesn't know that Rudolph rushed back from a concussion. He had 22 days between the injury in the loss to the Ravens and his return against the Dolphins. Many players return from concussions faster than that. Pickett has done it twice. That Hodges became a fan favorite was irrelevant. Rudolph lost his job again later that season because he played poorly, especially a four-interception stinker against the Browns. Also, that was 2019. Nobody has wanted to give him another shot since then because they see what you can't, that he isn't good.

    Our claim about their final years of college doesn't hold up, either. Passer rating is just one measure, a flawed one that over-rates yards per attempt. Pickett threw for more touchdowns and fewer interceptions. He was a Heisman Trophy finalist. Rudolph was not.

    Rudolph had five years of chances with the Steelers. They were so sure he wasn't good enough after four of them that they kept Haskins, signed Trubisky, and drafted Pickett to make sure they never had to rely on Rudolph as anything other than a backup. Then the entire league showed that they agreed with the Steelers by passing on Rudolph when he was a free agent, leaving him to slink back to the Steelers for a third-string job.
     
  16. Formerscribe

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    If they were comfortable playing him, they wouldn't have kept Haskins, signed Trubisky, and drafted Pickett to ensure they wouldn't need him. I think it is very likely he wouldn't have even made the team last year if Haskins hadn't died.
     
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  17. pastorbob

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    Or maybe Mason has too much integrity to be mikes boy ,mitch ,but not giving him a chance now that we have some running game and a better line is completely wrong. Next man up ,b.s.,mike plays his favorites ,period.
     
  18. Formerscribe

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    He plays the guy he thinks is better. Clearly, the team has no faith in Rudolph.
     
  19. Tiggs99

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    You are an idiot if you think that after being knocked out cold, the brain will not act differently to being put in same situation in only 22 days. You are the one that claimed Pickett had a better last year than Mason, when statistics do not back it up. It’s just your opinion. No one is claiming that Mason’s record is stellar, just that he is the best hope amongst collection of three very bad qb’s so stop blowing down a straw man. It’s my opinion, also shared by Chris Hoke…. A former player. It’s not that Pickett is keeping Marino on the bench. The only reason Pickett is getting a longer lease is that he is a first round pick and Tomlin and a lot of Steeler fans are not ready to admit that it was a waste. Same thing with giving millions to Trubisky. Wasted millions. All three qb’s on staff are just another in line of Malone, Graham, Stoudt, etc. Touch below Maddox, Brister etc
     
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