I am ready to slap Colbert/front office

I know people don't like to hear anything negative about DL, but I really believe it had gotten to the point that it was an unhealthy, mutual admiration society between DL and some of the vets.

 

I think it was very clear this was the case. Just with DL and Troy alone, as Troy was guessing wrong the last 2 years and hurting the team, DL still just repeated the same praise every week, even though TP was screwing up pretty badly on the field. We had a great run with DL and his buddies (Harrison, Troy, Ike, Aaron Smith, Keisel, Hampton, Timmons, Woodley -before he got paid, fat and lazy - Ryan Clark, et all) but all good things come to an end.

 

I totally agree; look who was in the Super Bowl. Both those teams have top shelf CBs. You need BOTH quality CBs AND pressure on the QB, if you want to contend. Come hell or high water, they better find both an edge rusher and top CB if they want to make any kind of noise.

 

YOu have a link to KC saying he's afraid?

 

http://thesteelersfans.com/4219/audio-kevin-colbert-combine-press-conference/

Right here at about the 1.10 mark . I take that as fear . If we needed a QB would he say that ?
This also leads me to believe he doesn't have as many plans to trade up or down as he should . We should have CB'S targeted in every round and have a pick value attached to them. We should also have potential trade partners in line in each and every round and then we would be prepared for the draft.

No way will we be there because he wont put the value on need , he said it .

 

Had the Bears not taken Kyle Wilson one pick before us, it's not clear whether Colbert wouldn't have taken him. Although ILB had a lot of unknowns in it (would Spence be able to play at a pro level? Would Williams grow out of some of his rookie mistakes?), which would justify the pick. I think it's fair to say that the FO has played down the significance of the CB to our defense - rightly or wrongly - but there's a bigger picture and a ton of variables to consider.

 

He says there are some areas they'll be looking to improve, but "we'll never go into a draft saying we have to address that area, because if we do we're going to over-evaluate a particular position, and probably make a draft mistake."



That says to me that he thinks if you get hung up on one position, you risk losing a sense of how their abilities match up to other positions and players that are available. He's basically saying they don't want to reach out of need.

 

A draft mistake. Meaning he's afraid if he targets a certain position he wont be smart enough to trade up or down and get that guy at the right price. I call that fear. Again would he say that if we needed a QB ?

 

THIS.. People have to understand this is a bit of a chess game . It's not as simple as just showing interest in certain players and saying " yeah we will take that guy" Sometimes the organization will show disinterest intentionally or show feigned interest in someone they have no intentions of persuing.

 

First, it takes two to tango. Just because you may want to trade up or down doesn't mean there's a trading partner for you. His statement makes total sense and it has nothing to do with him being afraid of drafting cornerbacks. Secondly, talk about jumping to conclusions.


You're the super coach you should know all too well that just because a player is there it doesn't mean he fits your system(think denard). Drafting a player that does something well, but doesn't do what you need done well is a recipe for disaster.

 

I don't know that you can even call it being taken out of context. It's more along the lines of a fubar interpretation.

 

If a guy says he's afraid he will over value a position then I take him at his word. To me if a spot is truly weak they need 4 or 5 guys vetting every player at the position that's going to be in the draft .Maybe that's how we keep missing good CB'S? We wont target it so we lack the knowledge we should have on the position? If Teams can trade 4,5, and 6 times every draft then we can trade if we know how ?

The draft experts say it's easy except for the top 10 in round #1 and round #2 .There are always Teams looking to move up or down this is said every year by multiple draft experts and I watch it happen each and every draft .

 

Colbert didn't say he was afraid, period. How do you know we don't have 4,5,6 people vetting every player at a position? Or every position for that matter? Oh that's right, you don't. It's nothing more than yet another assumption. Teams don't trade 4,5,and 6 times every draft.

Let's say the Steelers want to trade up for player x, but the only team willing to trade down wants a 1st, a 2nd, and next years 1st. Do you do it? If so you're an idiot. THere's always a price and you have to determine if that is worth what you get in return. You don't just trade for the sake of trading.

YATGYDRTSM

Yet another thank God you don't run the Steelers moment

 

I think New England trades back like 5 times each year it seems Of course not all Teams do it , but the experts say there are always Teams looking to move up and down. We won't target a specific position it might lead us to make a draft mistake. O.K. is that confidence or fear ?
No other way to look at it except he is saying he is afraid to target a position. Like a RB saying I don't want to carry the ball 25 times a game it might lead me to a fumble .Did he say he was afraid to carry the ball ? Sure he did with the stipulation being the # of carries could make him make a mistake . KC did the exact same thing in regards to targeting a position. By the way I am not just talking CB'S . Maybe that's why we keep missing on OLB'S as well.

Playing it safe grouping guys in Tiers not putting any extra weight on need .The reason is he is afraid to admit a need going into the draft. If the need is high enough and the player is good enough then maybe you do give up something to make a move.

 

There's certainly another way to look at Colbert's comments. You can look at it without grasping at straws. They don't go into the draft with tunnel vision saying they have to target this position. IF they were to do that then they could miss a player at another position that provides greater value and improves the team more in the long run. It has nothing to do with being afraid.

 

Simple to me . Would he say the same thing if we needed a QB ? No way he would say we will be looking hard to find that Franchise QB . All the Teams do. So don't lie to me and tell me you wont target a specific position because we all know you would ,if that spot was the QB.

My take is CB is the new QB of the Defense and deserves almost as much attention . He refuses to move that way you say prudence and I say Fear. Either way no matter he will be forced to change his view or forced to change jobs.

I just don't like the whole we might miss a great player If we focus on a position. OK you didn't focus on positions in the past and how many great players did you miss ? How many of those great players are playing great at a position you say you need so called depth ? That's what I would ask KC .

 

I most certainly would not. As a case in point let's look at the Redskins and RG3. They needed a qb, put on their blinders, and went all in giving up 2 future 1st rounders and a 2nd. What do they have? An average QB, that by all accounts the owner is letting run the team(so to speak) and handicapped the franchise for years to come. I'll take Colbert's way over Snyder's/your way 7 days a week and twice on Sunday.

Or you can look at the Browns. They needed a qb and traded up for Johnny Football. They could have stayed where they were and picked up Benjamin in the first and had an additional 3rd round pick. Instead they reached and as it stands it looks like they got burned.

/edit here are two more

The Chargers needed a QB and traded away the 3rd overall pick, a future 1st, a 2nd, and a pro bowl running back. whoopsie

The Saints targeted a running back and traded an entire draft class for 3,000 yards and 18 fumbles.

 

KC would have drafted the QB just like them. Don't worry he will have his chance soon enough if not fired by then. Exactly my take the draft is a crap shoot so why be afraid to miss a player if you have needs . Either way you draft your going to hit some and miss some , but to have needs and not address those year after year is criminal ,I don't care how he spins it.

 

YOu have to draft players that fit your scheme. If you run a pro set offense you don't draft a read option qb just because he's there and you need a qb. If you need a cb that excels at press coverage, but the only player on the board can't play press coverage then you don't draft him. On the flipside if you want a cb that's great in zone and is a great tackler you don't draft a cb that doesn't do those things. Once again think Dennard. He was on the board, but a poor fit for our scheme. Drafting him would have been a waste. That's the type of knee jerk moves perpetually losing programs make. Once again he's not afraid and never said anything remotely close to being afraid. That's just your asinine interpretation. You're the only person spinning anything.

 

OK whatever. The last time he wont target a position because it might lead to a mistake. If you take that as confidence then you have a strange brand of confidence. You and Cortez Allen should hang out a bit and get to know one another ,you guys can eat at MR. Confidences house KC .

 

WHo said anything about confidence? Talk about spin.

 

Either you are confident to approach a situation or your not . The opposite of confidence is doubt = fear = afraid. Not much of a spin to me.

If KC said ' I am sure we will target certain positions and we will because we have specific needs , but I know we will pick the best player available whether it be at that spot or at another one . I would call that confidence . What he said nah that's not confidence its doubt and doubt = fear.

 

Surprise surprise surprise, more spin

Since you ignored it I'll post it again.

There's certainly another way to look at Colbert's comments. You can look at it without grasping at straws. They don't go into the draft with tunnel vision saying they have to target this position. IF they were to do that then they could miss a player at another position that provides greater value and improves the team more in the long run. It has nothing to do with being afraid.