How good is Tomlin vs the rest

Postseason wins and beating Brady, or coming close is what makes a coach great. Tomlin had the horses, he just has a weak postseason record after 2011. He left a lot on the table. Good coach, maybe great early on, but overall just a good regular season coach who fell very short in the playoffs. He's been our Marty Schottenheimer/Dennis Green for the past decade and a half

He's not in the Halas, Lombardi, Shula, Noll, Landry, Belichick class, not close.

Maybe overall in the Reeves, Cowher, Sean Payton, Carrol, class

 

Looks like we have a new frontrunner for president of the Mike Tomlin apologist fan club. Solid campaign so far. You've got my vote.

 

you don’t think he’s in Cowher’s class?

 

Tomlin is a top tier regular season coach.

Kind of a Tony Romo of coaches.

 

TOMLIN is about to possibly go 10-7 and miss the playoffs which is the never ending nightmare of the Pittsburgh Steelers. It’s actually amazing how decent this team can be without even sniffing a postseason run.

 

I don't care about the W-L record since missing the playoffs is a bad season no matter what and if this is the case this year,it will be the fourth time in the last 6 seasons that the steelers don't make the playoffs...Just awful

 

"They had the #1 offense and the #1 defense, the year after they went 13-3, and failed to make the playoffs."

 

It was a classic Norv Turner team!

 

It’s much much too old to be trolling on a Steelers fan-site posting memes like an 8 year old. In his defense though, he’s clearly not the only childish senior citizen here. It’s crazy to come to a Steelers fan-site to talk Steelers football and have to deal with trolling from aarp members all because you challenge their irrational hate for the team’s coach.

Like this guy/gal. What’s with the passive aggression?

Is TJ a Tomlin apologist?https://steelersdepot.com/2024/01/t-j-watt-on-how-steelers-turned-their-season-around-mike-tomlin/

 

First off hero, my aggression is not passive. Secondly, the way you try to defend your man crush Tomlins shortcomings and failures is cute. You Tomlin apologists are a dying breed.

 

You not having the courage to quote me directly is the epitome of passive. The aggression isn’t even necessary, these are football discussions.

I’ll ask again, is TJ a Tomlin apologist?

The only reason you have to resort to the childish ad hominem “you defend your mancrush” nonsense is because you’re too stupid to make valid arguments to support your position. You roll your neck and suck your teeth when you see my posts out of frustration because you can’t refute anything I’ve said.

 

Sorry, nothing you said is intelligible. Mind taking tomlins balls out of your mouth so we can understand you?

 

Oh so you’re a repressed homosexual huh? No problem with me I’m mostly a live and let live guy. That does explain some things.

This is a football forum though, so do you mind sparing me with your homoerotic fantasies and either start talking Steelers football or leave me alone?

 

Good one! For a live and let live guy, you sure seem to want to take everyone on who disagrees with you. Sort of like a drunk sorority girl at a frat party.

 

Speaking of which, we need a new punter! Sorry for interrupting, carry on.

 

Yeah, you're here just to talk football. A game which does have opposing views and opinions. That seems to be what's troubling you the most. In that case, maybe a social media platform really isn't the best for you

 

Forget about super bowl,we all know this is very hard to win one....But what about,making the playoffs,a thing the steelers struggle to do since 2018 even if now almost half of the league make the playoffs since 2021...Or about playoffs win?...The steelers have less playoffs win that the Houston Texans since 2011....The HOUSTON TEXANS

Under Cowher,even if they won the super bowl only once,they were a true contender more often....More AFC title game(6 for Cowher vs 3 for Tomlin) and the steelers were at least in the second round of the playoffs 9 times vs 5 for Tomlin....The non losing season thing mean nothing when you can't make the playoffs and it could be the seven times it happen under Tomlin if they are out in the playoffs again

 

Nah, disagreements are fine. That’s what discussions involve. You're amongst the crowd that likes to troll and antagonize folk that you don’t agree with though. The proof is in the posts. We’re only engaging right now because you came at me indirectly without even trying to refute my position.

I’m somehow too supportive of this team’s head coach.

Well the posts/posters that I was responding to weren’t talking football. They were just trolling using ad hominem to antagonize me. I suspect that’s why you didn’t post them.

If it’s such a bother to see someone verbally defending themselves, maybe social media isn’t for you.

Except over the last 10 seasons they’ve made the playoffs 6 times, and that’s not counting this year. So it could be 7/10 playoff appearances.

I’m with you in disappointment over only 3 playoff wins since the last sb appearance. I just don’t put the blame for that mainly on Tomlin. To me, that is the result of engineering the team to be lead by Ben and the offense. There’s also been a lot of bad luck during that time period as well.

Cowher had the luxury of having rosters minus a franchise qb contract taking up much of the cap space. Not having a franchise qb contract makes it much easier to build and maintain a more talented and balanced roster. Steelers had a lot of big name talent during the killer b era but those rosters had obvious holes that theoretically Ben and the offense was supposed to cover up.

Again, I think the decision to be an offensive team led by Ben is why those teams didn’t win more despite the big names and gaudy stats. This is why I think Tomlin should be given a fair shot with this rebuild. Now the roster can be built back up without having to pay a franchise guy. To think that the man hasn’t earned a chance to rebuild the team post-Ben is crazy to me.

I appreciate you just talking football though.

 

Verbally defending yourself..... now that's rich. Hey, I'm not the one getting worked into a frenzy because people want to get rid of Tomlin.
I've seen rational people here bring up, what are in my opinion, logical reasons to want to move on from Tomlin. You're the one who came in like Miley on her wrecking ball, claiming everyone here is old and senile. What a ridiculous claim to stand behind.

 

Idk man, you seem to have gotten pretty worked up over me challenging the people in a frenzy to get rid of Tomlin. Again, I’m not the one who started the ad hominem attacks.

While I don’t agree that there are rational reasons to fire Tomlin, there are rational criticisms of him. My issue isn’t with the criticisms though, my issue is with the hate that comes from within the fan base. You can pretend that all of the Steelers “fans” against Tomlin are just rational folk with legit criticisms, but I’m not. I don’t see legit justifications for wanting him gone, I see irrational nonsensical hate parroted over and over. A thread like this that states the facts and puts Tomlin’s record up against nfl history proves that an overwhelming majority of the hate from his detractors isn’t valid.

There’s a thread somewhere where a poster outlines his complaints with Tomlin and almost all of the complaints are invalid. Claiming that Tomlin’s teams are unprepared, undisciplined, and don’t make adjustments is just flat out false and can be proven wrong by the facts/evidence.

The Steelers have given up the least amount of points in the 4th qtr of any team. How is that true without a head coach and coaching staff who have the ability to make adjustments?

The Steelers are the 7th least penalized team in the league this year and they also lead the league in turnover margin. How is that possible if they’re undisciplined?

The Steelers are like 8-2 in their last 10 1-score games all while having subpar qb play. How is that possible with a head coach that’s supposedly poor at both making adjustments and time management?

 

By all means then, continue beating your head against the wall trying to change minds. Makes no difference to me.

 

Yeah, looking at the big picture maybe my last critique of Tomlin was unfair (saying he was a Tony Romo of coaches).

The basic reason why playoff games and/or a Super Bowl is won is due to having an advantage. Usually that advantage is a superior/elite QB with average (minimum) to better than average offense or defense. It can be rarely an elite defense like the Ravens had with lowly Dilfer at QB, but that is very unusual. Nowadays, most elite QB`s are scramblers that buy time running around, then the coverage breaks down and they can make big plays, or just run the ball.

Tomlin had Ben to work with. Looking back at Ben`s career, he bought time differently. Ben bought time by sidestepping or just sacrificing his body. He played that way about half of his career. We won a Super Bowl under Tomlin with Ben buying time and got to one other and lost. It`s easy to see Ben`s best years not in stats, but playoff success was during the years he could sacrifice his body and he was truly elite while he could do that.

What about other coaches and who they had for QB? I guess the biggest example is Belichick. We thought it was mostly his system, not Brady. Brady leaves, goes to an average team and immediately wins a Super Bowl. Belichick fails after that. Brady`s elite ability was precise passing and not throwing picks. Most disciplined QB I ever saw.

So to be fair, I think the QB is the biggest factor in any coach's success nowadays. Today you need a QB who has either a near airtight O-line to get extra time or buys time by scrambling. What does Tomlin have to work with now? Do we have an air-tight pass blocking O-line? If not, do we have an elite QB that scrambles around and buys time? Nope. Some could argue Tomlin is doing pretty good for what he has to work with, but from a fan`s perspective, this situation sucks.

The only advantages I see we have now are two potent RB`s and a big play receiver in Pickens. The coaches need to leverage that to the max somehow.

 

This is an even worse word salad than the last one. I have literally no idea what this means.