How can you not be excited?

As a so called "formerscribe" you ought to know by now the danger of using words like "every". Typically using an absolute as a statement of fact outside of anything other then the bible tends to get a person easily discredited. It took me less than two minutes to find four pre-draft boards that didn't have Pickett going in the first rd. According to you every pre-draft ranking had him going in the first.

https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2022-nfl-draft-board-big-board

https://www.si.com/nfl/draft/news/2022-nfl-draft-final-top-100-overall-big-board

https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/positions/ALL/1/2022

(See also bleacherreport 2022 pre-draft rankings. I tried the link it wouldn't work on this board)


I only found two where Kenny was ranked to go before the Steelers drafted and one was at 18 and another at 19 (Mel Kiper's).... two!!! And I looked at a lot. That's clearly not most. Most of the ones I saw had him going after the Steelers picked instead of the Steelers drafting him at 20. I posted the link to addtl notable draft rankings as proof aside from the ones I've already posted. I could have went on and on with links but I think you get my drift that you're full of it.


https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft...-finishes-no-1-overall-four-ol-in-the-top-10/


https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/big-boards/2022/consensus-big-board-2022



https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl...top-players-rankings/yb5ihimvfxdk662s3ufacogd

https://www.on3.com/news/todd-mcsha...son-evan-neal-kayvon-thibodeaux-malik-willis/


Now that I've shut down those two lies you keep posting every other thread let's get to the real crux of the matter. The Steelers have passed up on at least two quality centers (Linderbaum/Humphries) the last two drafts. Based upon who they drafted instead (Pickett/Muth)...who do I believe the Steelers fanbase would say the Steelers at this point made the biggest gaffe picking over either one of these two centers?? It's undoubtedly and w/o question Pickett and it's not even close as far as im concerned and we can poll it if we need to.

Your question shouldn't be "would you trade Pickens for Linderbaum?". Your question should be after Linderbaum who should the Steelers have picked in the second rd between Pickett and Pickens?? I think we know the answer to that also if we're being blatantly honest although it seems you have a problem with that sometimes in order to save face.

 

POLL!
POLL!
POLL!!!
POLL!!!!!

 

Sounds like a character in a James Bond movie

 

Speaking of lying, the first three lists you provided are not mock drafts. They are big boards, which are not predictions of how the first round would go. Misrepresenting those as predictions of the first round, which is what you just did, is more accurately portrayed as a lie. If you didn't know, big boards rank the players solely on how good the analyst or analysts think they are. They ignore factors such as a player's fit for a given team and how teams overvalue some positions in the draft and undervalue others.

Providing four mock drafts that have Pickett going in the first round but after the Steelers' pick does not prove me wrong, either. There were hundreds of mock drafts. You referenced six of them.

To be fair, my language could have been more exact. I should have written many instead of most. My bad. It still isn't a lie, but I'll own that one. Heck, I probably should written that almost every mock draft had Pickett in the first round instead of every. As I mentioned, there were quite a few mock drafts. I didn't read them all. I'm sure if you dig long enough, you might actually find one that had Pickett outside of the first round. I never saw one, but there could be one out there.

Now let's see if you have the integrity to admit that, at best, you messed up in presenting big boards as if they were predictions of how players would go in the first round. By the way you use the word, you lied, but I'll settle for you admitting your error.

It must suck to go for a mike drop and fumble it the way you just did.

Also no, the larger mistake is not undoubtedly Pickett. Freiermuth is a nice player, but limited. He is a tremendous receiving threat, but a poor blocker who struggles to stay healthy. Finding a quarterback is a hell of a lot more important than finding a tight end and anybody with any sense knows better than to give up on Pickett at this point.

Also, Humphrey is better than Linderbaum, so that also factors in.

 

The question isn't about whose better between Linderbaum and Humphries and even if it was who would be foolish enough to claim there was a big enough gap that it would make a difference?? The question really is who has lived more up to their potential (Between Pickett and Muth) based upon where they were drafted where no one has any regrets at this point about passing up one of the centers they could have had? By the way Pickett has had his fair share of concussions to this point and pretty much is at the bottom of the league most stats wise among starting QBs.

True enough big boards are not mock drafts, but If anything the big boards further hurt your argument by showing just how much the Steelers overvalued Kenny more then anything else. I posted draft boards and big boards both, but if we went mock draft for mock draft I'm inclined to believe I could find just as many mock drafts that placed Kenny outside of the first rd as those that did. This would be the second one I posted (apparently you skipped the first) and it didn't take me long at all.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft...rback-four-edge-rushers-go-inside-the-top-10/

I believe that would be the case because after so many picks into the first rd I'm inclined to believe just as many people believe teams start going with best available (or should start) as opposed to need. Unfortunately in the Steelers case they chose need (although im in the minority that felt center was more of a pressing need then QB) over best available which meant they risked overvaluing their pick which at this point looks to be the case. Fortunately, like you said, we're not dealing with a finished product.

 

Some sports fans are entitled little babies that routinely say "he sucks", etc. Most of them don't have an athletic bone in their body. The good thing is that the Pickett haters will have to suck their thumbs and cry while they watch him for 12+years. Gonna be fun!!

 

Steelers need a Center?! It always has been, is and will always be a pre requisite for this team to have one. The fact that the team didn't have a Veteran Option to teach Kendrick Green in his Rookie Season still PISSES me off.


What shall piss me off even more is not just if, but when the Steelers, more specifically Tomlin, drafts a Center in 2024 (ideally Sedrick Van Pran) and have him sit behind Mason Cole. See how Broderick Jones is looking over Dan Moore?! Why would I be convinced that Cole can "improve" in the same way that Moore claimed he did during this Offseason?!


For that matter, one major aspect working against Cole; very limited athletically. Van Pran is the polar opposite. Regardless, your point still stands.


Now, is there a other option to take currently?! Sadly no for the team will have to rely on Cole for the remainder of the season. As much as me and you both hate it, 2024 is when this team will see better return not just from a singular position but also the Offense (assuming AR II steps in and overrides Tomlin upon picking an OC).

 

The Steelers fortunes generally hinge on KP's development and ultimately his ability to execute consistently on game day.

 

O-line has to execute on gameday for Kenny to be able to execute. Let's see how he does when Johnson and Freirmuth have been back for a while. I mean the guy is QB of a team with a trash OC, a semi-trash O-line, his 2 favorite targets not on the field..............and we're 3 and 2 with one of those losses to the Superbowl favorite. lol. I choose to enjoy the season. Some (not saying you) will choose to throw their milk all over the floor and cry.

 

Because these problems run way deep! It always starts with the Head Coach. From there, his coordinators are both underperforming by a long shot. Certain players are helping lessen the blow of how bad this team is; Pickens, Watt, Pickett are a few of the players that are making us look better than they actually are. The problem is, this is not sustainable. We saw what happened last season when Watt was out for several games.

The offensive line is a HUGE problem. They cannot move defenders in the running game and have completely struggled in pass pro. The game planning is horrific on both sides of the ball. There is no imagination on O and they rarely utilize strengths via matchups, formations and even play types (very little to no horizontal run game/ very little to no 3 step routes; slants, outs, ins, hitches). Receivers are not running "scramble rules" when KP is under duress. The defense is losing the edge constantly and allowing too much cushion on 2/3rd and med/long with no reroutes, allowing the receivers to create space and run to their spots(untouched). This is a train wreck! Even with those missing players, the team has looked bad since week 1!

 

The bait and switch I got fed by the offense in preseason has me unexcited, if that is a word.

All that matters is somehow the offensive woes gets straightened out and we have momentum by at least the last 3 or so games this year. If we don`t get that, probably means Kenny`s NFL career is downgraded to backup QB and we are going nowhere until we get a real franchise QB.

 

They aren't going to decide that Kenny's not the guy at the end of this year no matter what happens. They just aren't man. And good on them for it.

 

On this I agree. He will get at least another full year....maybe two.

 

He would have to totally **** the bed for them to dump him after this season and he is actually showing improvement

Although his learning curve isn’t great