Hoorays and Boos for the Win vs. Cleveland

Oh I'm not disagreeing. There are a whole lot of great things about today. But our defense let us down. You expect the Browns to put up points like that when we have 8 turnovers like last year, but these were all long drives. Yes, they got the last one right, but you will lose 9 out of 10 games that have one quarter-and-a-half like the one they had today.

 

Half was enjoyable...the other half was a heart attack!

 

A lot to forget and a lot to build on. Let's get another Thursday night.

 

Yup! They suckered me in too.

 

Agree with most of this post. I would move Cam Heyward to the "BOOs" along with Cam Thomas and Jason Worilds. Our entire left side of the defense needs serious work.

 

No takeaways again today. That has to change and the young guys have to keep getting better on defense.

Draft some DBs next year please.

 

I should know better to think this way.

 

Yays: LeVeon Bell played great. AB had a great game. Willie Gay had a good game. We looked amazing in the first half.

Boos: Our coaching staff's decision to be comfortable with our halftime lead to change our game plan in the second half. Our inability to adjust is frightening. Ike Taylor is horrible. Period.

 

I'd have to move LT on the edge of boo with troy. there is no excuse for the bad angles and missed tackles from an 8 year / 1st rd. vet ILB. this isn't the first game this has happened either. many of the long runs last year were on him too for these same things. this may be the only guy I'm starting to get concerned about. even for as good as he is. one Oh Chit, can wipe out a whole lot of Atta Boys.

 

first thing I thought as well blast. they nearly beat us with our own game. they adjusted at halftime. hoyer has done this before too. I wish we still had him.

 

Right? All of the Browns fans I know were mad that Johnny Boy wasn't starting. I was too, but for a totally different reason. I was kind of scared of what Hoyer would do to our defense.

 

Concerned about Lawrence Timmons? Are you concerned about Ben and his horrible INT? Last year he started out pretty badly, were you concerned then? Timmons is at the very bottom of this list of guys on our defense I'm concerned about.

 

Yep and I'm aiming toward Ike the entire game.

 

Timmons gets out of position a lot the last couple of years. those big runs are a direct result of that. bad angles and some missed tackles by him. yes, he's good snack but not without his faults. and those faults are becoming ever more pronounced without those other vets that used to be around him.

oh and yes ben knows better than to force that ball in there. or should by now.

 

Really the only thing I can add would be to talk more about Gilbert. This was certainly not his finest showing by a long shot. In his defense though, Kruger is a good pass rusher when he's healthy, and it showed.
I also think the team got lucky with that Wheaton sideline catch. It looked to me like he wasn't in bounds. Heads up play to get to the line and run a play as quickly as they did.

 

I wish I could have watched the game but I don't have NFL Ticket money

 

I think Dick Lebeau should have retired about two seasons ago.

Not saying the defenses decline is on him, but I do feel like some things offenses do work consistently week-in, week-out against it.

Maybe it's just been me watching the same scheme since 2004, but I don't see a lot of evolution right now with how we are playing defensive football. If anything, Tomlin's input on roster decisions has made it HARDER for Lebeau's schemes to work. A lot of what Lebeau has had to work with (4-3 DT's as 3-4 DE's, undersized NT's and runner/hitter LB's) is not really what he preferred back with Cowher.

This has always been a concern since Tomlin's arrival. How would the Tampa-2, traditional 2-deep zone coverage Tomlin co-exist with Lebeau and his bigger LB's and zone-blitz scheme.

While roster decisions seemed to hang on to the old guard (roster decisions or film decisions?) as age has forced Tomlin/Lebeau's hand to bring in the young guys, is it a coincidence that the defense has declined in effectiveness?

Again, the decline of this team into mediocre is not one decision. It's been a hundred small decisions starting with the hiring of Tomlin in the first place.

Every off-season presents 10-15 "Paths" that could have/should have possibly led to different results on how the defense would look this Thursday night.

This is the bed the organization has made. Now they have to sleep in it.

 

See if you can cut a deal where they let you watch the first half of every game - that may end up best for your pocket and your constitution.

 

I can live with the decisions, but did they have to do the sleeping all through the second half?