Holy S*** Big Ben

THANK YOU
you have a way way way better way with words than I

 

wutevs

 

It isn't the QBs job to worry about the pass blocking. In fact it is the QBs job to NOT worry about the pass blocking. That is why Ben is the best QB in the league when pressured, and guys like Brady soil themselves under the same conditions.

Brown is a very good WR ... a lottery ticket that paid off ... and he's a troll. If he looks like a desirable redzone target to you, I suggest you adjust your TV.

Miller hold every Steelers TE receiving? So he's like the worlds tallest midget? Who the hell is #2, the great Bennie Cunningham?

 

Who can we throw to in the red zone? Only route is slant or Ben scramble. Please activate M Bryant just for red zone!

 

Nash Cat

blew your **** up dude

JUST QUIT

you really ****ing think the STEELERS do not care about their player or players

you really ****ing think the STEELERS believe ONE ****ING PLAYER IS THE TEAM

history tells us ALL





NOT

 

Yeah, that whole his way thing is a ***** ... in exactly the same way that Barry Sanders should have just learned to put his shoulders down and pound the ball between the tackles.

There is no bigger waste of time than trying to pound a square peg into a round hole. Try as anyone might, Peyton Manning could never excel running the wishbone. Players are funny that way.

 

So misleading lol. Well, 80% of it anyway. I don't recall any FA signings that would make us go Ben will improve because of this... Heath, I'm sorry this guy could thank Ben for his overrated stats. Besides Brown, this WR corpse is not even average, just yet. Also, taken Arians away from Ben didn't help either.

 

The team has done all it can within the cap and has hit on several high quality receivers. They put up yards in bunches between the 20 but run the same brain-damaged offense in side the 20. This team doesn't look that much different from when Arians ran it on the field and no different on the score board.

The original comment was that the team makes "no effort to help maximize his abilities." That's just complete and total nonsense. If anything they've gotten him what he's asked for to the limits of the cap and they've "let Ben be Ben" sometimes to the detriment of the offense. They've tried to bulk up the oline and hired the best oline coach in the business. To say they haven't made any effort is laughable - they might have whiffed on some oline picks but it's not like they haven't focused on the offense.

A lot of folks thought Arians was the problem but expect for fewer deep passes this team doesn't look much different on the field and pretty much the same on the scoreboard. Run up and down the field between the twenties, bog down in the redzone, give the football away, and pickup selfish and undisciplined penalties. No Arians last year - Ben played all 16 games and he threw for his second most yards and second most TDs. Not too much different than his best year under Arians in 2009 (fewer ypc - but who cares it's about points not stats).

Heath Miller is a first-round draft choice and put up great numbers with a team that doesn't even know how to use a tight end. If he played with Manning or Brady he'd be putting up near HOF numbers. The receivers on this team are not the problem with offense right now. It's play calling and scheme.

All the changes that have been made, all the receivers that have come and gone and this offense looks pretty much the same. The big difference is that now that we've shown we can run the football we don't do it consistently. And when we do and win with it our QB makes snarky comments about making the folks who want to run the ball happy.

 

Agreed. Ben is not the issue.

 

I agree with you here. Especially with all the talent that has been placed on the offense.

Ben is a great QB and his record speaks for itself. And he does a lot of good things for the team. I just believe he should be able to wrangle in that bunch to stay focused to get more TDs. I believe they can, but just aren't, right now.

 

It really only has to do with our poor defensive line play...

 

Sometimes I wonder if other fans are watching the same Heath Miller that I am. The Heath Miller I see is not very fast or athletic. In fact he's rather straight lineish, kind of high cut, with a complete lack of elusiveness.

More Anthony Fasano with better mitts than Tony Gonzalez or Shannon Sharpe.

 

Who needs a smart, big target, that gets open, catches the ball, and can block? They're a dime a dozen, right?

 

Heath Miller may not be fast or elusive, but he's athletic enough to create separation against most linebackers and always seems to be able to get open when he needs to. He's also the best blocking tight end in the last 10-15 years. He's always been "straight lineish" and doesn't hesitate to try to run through a defender. Besides, contract, haven't you heard the old saying that the quickest way to the goal line is a straight line (or something like that)?

Anthony Fasano??!! Puhleaze!!!

 

Not a dime a dozen, but hardly a weapon either. I don't understand the "Steelers don't know how to use a TE" criticism either. He gets targeted plenty. More than I would prefer.

 

I like Miller as a player. I actually I like Fasano too. The issue (as far as I'm concerned) isn't whether Miller is a quality player. He's been a top tier TE for a long time. But he's not the weapon that some fans make him out to be, and he never was.

 

Most TEs are one dimensional. They are either hybrid WRs or hybrid O-linemen. Heath is multi-dimensional. He's not particularly fast or elusive but knows how to create separation and find the soft spot in the zone. He also has an uncanny ability to stick and finish his blocks. He renders opposing LBers and D-linemen ineffective on contact. And his intangibles? 'Nuff said about that.

But, sadly, we do need to start thinking about his successor and that's a sad, sad thought.

 

I was going to say the same, but the way this is going I'll get lynched as a Miller basher. He seems to have trouble fending off tacklers going low these days. He used to bounce off more DBs, or at least that's how I remember it. His hands have become a little less reliable, and his blocking has slipped a bit too IMO. Not a big surprise since he's turning 32 in a couple of weeks.

His days as a starter may be numbered, but he's got 4 years left if he wants them. He will remain better than #2 TEs for years.

 

Heath's not an elite receiver type TE but you can't begin to say he's not a weapon because he is. Always has been. It's not his fault he's not consistently made part of the offense.

The redzone offense under Arians trended down through his tenure. From 58% in his first year to 48, 48, and 50 in his last seasons. It's actually bounced back a little (55 and 53) under Haley but in Sunday's game they threw 10 times and ran three inside the redzone - the kneel downs were the only runs. They were at 54.7% in the red zone after the first four games even with a 1 for 5 performance in their first two wins against Baltimore and the Jets. Better but still top-middle of the league.

The offense disappeared in the second half against Cleveland and Tampa Bay and didn't score enough against a really, really bad Jacksonville defense. The team is still terrible in the redzone (26th), it still can't put opponents away, and there are plenty of tools to get the job done - not the best offensive talent in the league but far from the worst. I don't care about yards I care about points and this team just doesn't generate points like it should.

This may be his best but he and the organization can do better. Nobody is going to confuse the talent on this offense with an elite unit but they can do better.

 

The truth hurts.Can only hope for the best.Not to be confused with elite Qb's.

 

I'm aware the debate has moved on a bit, but I still think this is an excellent post.

Ben is what Ben is. When he's on form, he's easily HOF material. But there are bad habits as well, and these were re-emerging in the Jax game. This is frustrating to watch, as he seems to otherwise be in a good place this season. There were sacks taken in that game that didn't need to be.

I suppose the main thing is, you can't pin everything on one guy, whether things are going well or things are going badly.

 

Screw replacing Ben, we haven't even come close to replacing Max Starks, and no one ever confused him for Walter Jones. This team has enough trouble replacing its second tier talent to start thinking about replacing its top tier talent before they break down.