Higher in the all-time list:Brees vs Ben?

Blast Furnace · Jul 27, 2026 at 11:00 AM

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Except it is.

More All Pros, more NFL Records, more MVP votes. In a debate between player vs. player, the individual accomplishments are the greatest strength of the argument; hence the prompt. Stat driven or otherwise, Brees has earned those. Big Ben never did.

Even if I were to award you the claim that the NFL Awards are stat driven, Brees was far more consistently great over a longer stretch of time than Big Ben ever was. Big Ben was never ranked within the Top 3 overall during the years he played; doubly so in his prime. Drew Brees consistently was.
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I know we have agreed to disagree but I’ll just ask to do the thing you always do and not rely on stats which are skewered for a variable of reasons.

Study the tape.

Who are you drafting? Fast forward to years of being in the league, they are free agents, who are you signing?

For me thats not a hard decision, going Ben both times.

HeinzMustard · Jul 27, 2026 at 11:01 AM

AskQuestionsLater said: ↑

Except it is.

More All Pros, more NFL Records, more MVP votes. In a debate between player vs. player, the individual accomplishments are the greatest strength of the argument; hence the prompt. Stat driven or otherwise, Brees has earned those. Big Ben never did.

Even if I were to award you the claim that the NFL Awards are stat driven, Brees was far more consistently great over a longer stretch of time than Big Ben ever was. Big Ben was never ranked within the Top 3 overall during the years he played; doubly so in his prime. Drew Brees consistently was.
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Yeah, stats matter... but I believe Roethlisberger would trade his gawdy stats during the Haley years, for pedestrian, average stats and a couple more Lombardi trophies.

Bubbahotep · Jul 27, 2026 at 11:27 AM

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My argument remains unbeaten it seems.

Drew Brees' was the more dominant player of the two. Drew Brees holds more records and possesses more individual achievements to his name. This isn't a debate.
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It's not close. Cumulative era adjusted QB ratings based on EPA and normalized against each season's NFL averages.

And Brees with by far the worst defenses through his career;

Steel_Elvis · Jul 27, 2026 at 12:15 PM

Blast Furnace said: ↑

I know we have agreed to disagree but I’ll just ask to do the thing you always do and not rely on stats which are skewered for a variable of reasons.

Study the tape.

Who are you drafting? Fast forward to years of being in the league, they are free agents, who are you signing?

For me thats not a hard decision, going Ben both times.
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Ditto. Brees was a great QB, but very scheme dependent. He and Payton were a perfect marriage of QB and scheme/philosophy. Ben could make chicken salad out of chicken sh!t and played well under different offensive philosophies.

S.T.D · Jul 27, 2026 at 12:40 PM

Dang, I hear a puppy dog yapping

S.T.D · Jul 27, 2026 at 12:45 PM

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So All Pros, MVPs, OPOY nor DPOYs exist?
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Yeah , and not a one counts without the team behind them to help it happen, and if it was just about what a person did Joe Burrow woul have won a MVP 2 , or 3 years ago when he threw the most tds, had the most yards, and had the most overall tds, but he didn't because the team wasn't good, so team award, or when Lamar Jackson won it last time, and 5 other Qbs had just as many overall yards , or more than him, and just as many , or more yards, He won because his team had more wins, again a team accomplishment.

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