Help solve a fight

Does anyone have the statistics for total games TB played vs Ben (so far) AND then how many game winning/tying fourth quarter comebacks did each have? I am just curious!

 

Ok ben had hines holmes one year of plax. Young money hasnt proved anything yet. Ben also had cedric wilson el and washington who is decent at best. Look at the HOFer bradshaw had on his team. In the end though it comes down to different eras.

 

i don't believe TB played vs Ben

 

I would just have to flip a coin, and pray that my opponent didn`t get the other qb...
Unless I had the Steelers Defense from `78.
Seriously, the 2 are so similar, it`s eerie...
Big, hard to bring down, gunslingers, with a will to win, and the ability to scramble for a first, when they have to.
I would take either one, anytime, against any team!!!
Also, both are damn near impossible to take out of the game by injury... 2 of the toughest S.O.B.`s to ever play QB!!!
Now, if I was to try and stop them, I would take the 1978 Steelers D(And the rules in place at the time), over any, unless I was allowed to combine Defensive players from the 90`s and 2000`s!(Even then, I would be hard pressed to put a better, or equal, player at every position!)
How can you NOT love this team???
GO STEELERS!

 

Bradshaw was tough cause he had to be back in the day. It wasn't uncommon for players to take extra shots and the refs would look the other way like they did in back yard brawl games. Especially early in his career cause he came in as a #1 overall pick and had a giant ego that we wasn't afraid of. I can remember Raiders and Broncos players litterally coming down with hammer chops that you used to see in WWF back in those days. Him being able to complete some of the most graceful passses though that were as tight a spiral and right where they would be for Stallworth and Swann.

Ben makes scrambling look easy and is playing at his highest level right now. The good thing is he is just hitting his prime.

On this arguement I will have to see the hardware when it's all said and done.

 

His receivers did go for the ball but many times he hit them in stride downfield and it was a thing of beauty. He could fit a pass into a window with that rocket arm of his.

As a rookie he had a 90 yard run and when reporters asked Knoll what he thought about his quarterback running liek that he said he thought it averaged out to nine yards per carry.

He was a champion jevelin thrower in high school.

 

Ask me when Bens career is over. Right now it's Bradshaw and his 4 rings for me.

 

I think most of the stuff on bleacher report are junk, but for what it's worth here is a comparison with some stats,,,

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...r-is-better-than-terry-bradshaw-its-not-close

With the exception of that super bowl thing Ben is clearly statistically better.

I only saw Bradshaw's last 3-4 years and for some reason interceptions and injuries stick in my head, so I guess I will go with Ben?

 

To me, the better question is... which era was better? Personally, I would have to go with TB's era. Football was Football and, man, was it fun to watch those guys beat up on each other for an entire game. I, still, love Football today but it just isn't the same. Big Ben is definitely a throw back to that era and one of the reasons I love watching this game. I mean, the guy has his nose hanging off the side of his head and a shoe 10 times the size of his foot and he is still out there trying to extend and make plays. The boys back in TB's day seemed like they were always bleeding somewhere out of their bodies and smiled with half their teeth missing.

 

It's not even a debate. Mark Malone outshone them both.


(In his own mind, at least.)

 

Ughhhhhhh!

I remember back in college I dated someone who had great season tix to the games at TRS and Malone was QB. Always seem to be half in the game and then the 3rd and 4th quarter meltdowns began.

If I couldn't stand him so much we probably could statistically throw Neil O'Donnel into the equation.

Nah, On second thought, Better to not do that. No hardware.

 

That's a flawed way of looking at it though. You're basically saying you'd take Trent Dilfer as your QB over Dan Marino. Like others have said, it's a team sport, looking only at SB wins is a very, very flawed way of judging a specific player. Take Ben for example. Put him on a team with a terrible defence and he probably has 0 rings right now. It takes a team effort to get to a SB, let alone win it.

 

It's close for me, but I would still fall on the side of Bradshaw. I'm not ready to give up the greatness of the 70s teams to the greatness of these teams. Bradshaw's leadership, poise, clutch play, arm strength, and ability to win championships still put him slightly ahead of Ben in my book. Now, I'm not saying the Ben WON'T end up being better in my opinion. I'm just saying he's not there YET. He certainly has the ability to get there.

In reality, this is a debate with no wrong answer, and as a Steelers fan, that's a good problem to have. We could make a case for either player being the best we've ever had, and both have delivered multiple Super Bowls to Steeler Nation.

What will finish it for me is if Ben breaks the Super Bowl record. He has said that his goal is to get one more trophy than Bradshaw. In order to do that, he's going to have to demonstrate leadership and performance over multiple "generations" of players. If he can do that, I don't think there will even be a question.

 

As much as I would love it, Ben getting 3 more SB wins is beyond optimistic. It's not impossible, but it's a pretty lofty goal. There's so many other great teams in the league, it's tough to win 1 in a career, let alone 5.

 

People point to things like completion percentage but the rules were so different that it is hard to compare.

Terry took risks but he gained great rewards.

He had the much better defense and a great offensive line.

 

it's hard for me to take some of you serious unless you saw them both play. i don't mean the people that say well i saw him when i was 3 and can remember that. get real. bradshaw called his own games. bradshaw played when it was way harder to complete passes because of the rules. bradshaw played when a qb could get hit just short of tearing off a limb. head,knees, wherever they wanted to hit them. same with his receivers. for several years the linemen were not allowed to use their hands against d-linemen. the headslap. the forearm to the chops. using your helmet as a weapon. all this went against anything ben, or his receivers have to deal with today. they also ran the ball alot more in TB's day which of course would make the numbers alot more lopsided towards ben. bens also been sacked a heck of alot more, mostly his own doing. i love em both but you think ben gets hurt nowdays, he would not have played as long back then with the rules how they were and that many sacks. helmet to helmet was every play. not to mention TB had to play on an indoor-outdoor carpet lying on concrete. even the technology was different back then showing a qb what the defense was doing and film study and coaching coming into his helmet and conditioning. all this is far more advanced today then back then. much harder to be a qb then vs. now.

 

Don't know if there is a clip online but Turkey Jones of the Browns picked Bradshaw up and spiked him head first. Amazing he survived.

Found it ...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtcQqwpCFJ4

 

And this one is Bradshaw talking about the injury.

Scary.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2TY0cKw ... re=related

 

yea, i had someone bring that one up on another thread, awhile back. i thought he was dead that day. seriously dead. definately a different game then. i played then and spearing a guy was common practice. we did it to each other in practice. amongst friends. it's just the way you played then. the games tough but it's alot more passive these days.

 

I do remember seeing Terry play, he's the reason I became a Steeler fan. It was a very different time and he had a great team to support him. I don't like how they've tried to make the game flag football, but it was absolutely brutal back then and that's not good either (i.e. Mike Webster). I think this conversation needs to take place when Ben is done with his career like others have said, but what a great conversation we are so lucky to have. It's kind of like trying to pick which one of your children you love more, lol. Maybe that's the answer, you love them both the same.

 

not only that, but they could mug the WR almost all the way down the field!!!! Now they can't so much as look at them wrong. On the debate question though it is too much Apples vs. oranges as the game has changed way too much. I will take both and be happy!!!!!


Mike

 

You're right, it is special. The Bradshaw era was special because for so many years the Steelers were losers. They would maul teams then lose the game. Art Rooney was known as the loveable loser.

 

terry wouldn't last in todays NFL nor would ben in terry's NFL. basically just pick your fav