Haskins criticized for being lazy

I don't see the point in debating at length whether a reporter neither of us is very familiar with did or did not make an honest mistake regarding a report from ~three years ago. If you think it was an honest mistake and trust her integrity, that's fine; just as if Blast Furnace thinks she may have fabricated it (or committed an otherwise incomprehensible mistake) and does not.

 

Please don't put words in my mouth. Where did I write that I trusted her integrity? I'll give you a hint. I don't have a strong opinion either way regarding her integrity. I do take issue with posters presenting speculation as fact, which is what many of her detractors are doing.

I'm not the one who keeps bringing her up on thread after thread. Perhaps you should take this up with those who are doing so.

 

And this brings us to reason #2 on "why not deal with both": your comments/arguments become increasingly unreasonable the longer you stay on a topic:

1. I didn't put words in your mouth. I used the word if before a hypothetical. If you don't trust her integrity, that's fine, too. The point being you can have your own opinion, just as can anybody else.

2. Taking up issue with posters bringing her up in "thread after thread" is irrelevant for me in the context of our conversation where you keep specifically defending her while I was speaking to more general trends in media and journalism.

Both are examples of the common red herring trope you employ of shifting attention away from the point at hand by, for example, jumping to a false conclusion ("please don't put words in my mouth"), then shifting to an unrelated fact/idea/event ("I'm not the one who keeps bringing her up on thread after thread. Perhaps you should take this up with those who are doing so.") as means of distraction.

 

Great debate. I always can see both sides of debates.

 

That's just Too Much Truth, Blast!

 

Hmm if players are supporting him, maybe they would rally behind him in game?

 

Hey, if you want to misrepresent what you posted previously, go for it. You attempted to attribute a position to me. Now that I called you on it, you want to shift away from it. That is your issue.

My second point was absolutely relevant. It's not misdirection at all.

 

I am sorry you don't understand the difference between strongly stating an opinion and presenting an opinion as fact.

As far as posting ludicrous crap, tell us again how an All-Pro middle linebacker couldn't have fit into the Steelers' defense.

If I could actually see the report from the time, I might be able to help you out there, but I never saw it. I'm only going on your memory here.

 

I think he would have a better time as compared to Mason when things break down and opposing teams really try to stress a young inexperienced OL. He seemed better in the preseason create from that chaos.

 

Is it anything like claiming that a well respected NFL General Manager like Kevin Colbert is lying to the media to cover up for a bad draft pick in the first round? I mean remember this is the guy who drafted Ziggy Hood, Frank the Tank, Thaddeus Gibson, Limas Sweed and so many others and the guy who gave Sean Mahan a contract and didn't oppose bringing in Mike Vick yet somehow he needed to lie about having a DB rated higher than an ILB. That's some seriously primetime investigating.

 

I'm sure that it is an honest mistake by Thor and since misrepresenting what you posted really isn't a life or death matter should anyone really care? I mean it most likely just an honest mistake.

 

Sorry, but I do actually need to see what she reported and the evidence that proved the report wrong to be able to speculate about how she got it wrong. All I am working with now is your biased recollection of those events, which simply isn't enough information.

There are many rational explanations. Perhaps she saw a quick reaction, then looked elsewhere before he joined the celebration. That's the best I can do with an event I didn't witness. I vaguely remember hearing something about Brown pouting rather than celebrating with his team at some point. I remember rolling my eyes because it wasn't exactly news that Brown could be a bit of a selfish ass by then. I didn't care as long as he produced. It's such a non-story that I simply cannot imagine a reporter committing a fireable offense to push it. It's just not worth it.

That's what you don't get. If she actually did make up a story, she shouldn't just be ignored. She should have been fired.

 

In the grand scheme of things, nobody should really care about anything posted here, but you seem quite pissed about a few things.

 

You don't think general managers and coaches lie? Are you really that naive?

Do you think I'm accusing the Steelers of intentionally taking the lower-rated player for some odd reason? The point was that it was a mistake to have Edmunds rated higher than Leonard. Why is that so difficult for you to understand?

 

I understand your point right up and until it goes off the rails such as believing that when he says they had Edmunds ranked higher on their board (even granting your premise of being the wrong grade) that he is lying to cover up his mistake. Now no where in my response did I say Kevin Colbert doesn't lie or stretch the truth. I said it's your belief that he is lying to cover his ass. I have always maintained that why would he? In my response I pointed out some colossal blunders that have been made under his watch the biggest to me is thinking Sean Mahan was the next great Steelers center or at least an acceptable stopgap when he was neither. So again why would he lie about having Edmunds ranked higher than Leonard and more importantly why would he need to? You constantly circle back to being proven right about Leonard being the better pick which yes we can say now but we have zero proof the man lied and mountains of proof that sometimes he is just that stupid. What point about that do you not get.

 

It passes the time and you flatter yourself if you think anything gets me pissed on this board. I have mountains upon mountains of things way worse to use anger on or about. I mean for the first 25 years of my life I was told the world would end before I graduated high school so in those years between 18-25 that it didn't happen can you talk about a buzzkill. My kids can have a complete meltdown because a tag on their shirt rubs the wrong way and they have zero control over it. This isn't in the same pond as my issues. But you know I got time.

 

Do you really think that story was going to get her to a place she doesn't already occupy? Sorry, but no.

The story with Haskins is the comments by the coaches. Are you accusing her of making those up, too? There is no evidence to support such a claim on your part. That is solely based on your issues with her.

Yes, she crossed the line from reporting to analysis with "lousy passes," but sports reporters offer analysis along with facts all the time. Ed Bouchette has been doing it for decades. Why is it only a problem when she does it?

 

Wait. You were still being told the world was going to end before you graduated high school when you were 25?

 

No I was told the world would end before I graduated high school so I wouldn't have to worry about the future. When I graduated in 92 and the world inexplicably kept going I was still living with my parents and following the rules until I was 25 and on my own. Then I grew tired of the endless " the end is near" rhetoric and got busy living. Still angry the world didn't end before I had to learn algebra or geometry but almost 5 decades of Scooby-Doo so what's to complain about.

 

So, you are just going to gloss over the way you mangled your own point in that post. Got it.

You and I really aren't far apart in age, so we were probably hearing similar rhetoric when we were young. It seems as if you took certain parts of it way too much to heart.