Harrison Analyzes the Defense

If he could catch... maybe he can do something about his awareness. But at this stage in his career, he ain't never going to catch that ball. He could have pass deflections all day, though, I'll give you that.

 

LOL. Not that the situation we're in is funny but I like that post TE

 

Even if he just upgrades his awareness and keeps his hands out for the ball (even just a deflection) and away from mauling the receiver, then he'll haul in a couple INTs, over the next 11 games.

 

I guess i could just look for myself, lol, but who's first? I'm guessing Vick? And Dalton's tied with Weeden?

 

Wow, i would have thought it was Vick at the top. Weeden makes sense though and why i thought he was tied for second. Rivers moved himself into that tie just the other night when he threw a career high 4 INT's. That guy looks completely lost anymore.

 

Oh and thanks TTF for the info

 

This was my thought when I posted about the last 6 drafts. We KNEW three years ago that it was time to start drafting and grooming people to replace Hampton, A. Smith, Troy, Farrior and Harrison. Unfortunately, it just hasn't worked out and now, not only do we not really have those guys (because they're gone or injured), but we don't have their replacements either.

 

While I agree that we've known for a while that there was a need to address the D we also had glaring holes on offense as well. Particularly with the o-line. We did attempt to address the D in past drafts while we attempted to address the O this past draft. Unfortunately not a whole lot has appeared to work out like we'd have liked it to on either side of the ball yet. At least not so far

 

And we have to keep remembering that this draft just gone was one for the future.
I was sceptical at the time about the number of folks predicting that players would immediately become amazing contributors, even before the injuries hit. But I do still beleive that we'll see fantastic things from Decastro, Adams, Spence, Ta'amu (if he stays around) and others.

 

You disagree and then back up your disagreement with an if? Especially an if that resulted in a penalty. I guess I'm not sure that is enough to convince me that my assessment is incorrect. Anyhow, I only giving an opinion and I would love for Ike to prove me wrong as the season progress but I doubt it is going to happen. I'm not down on Ike, persay. He still is the best that we have but what is that really saying. IF...Ike didn't have hands of stone he might have been a probowler throughout his career.

 

Fact: Since Mike Tomlin has been in Pittsburgh he has drafted ONE Pro bowler on D.

Fact: The person's name is not Timmons, Hood, Heyward, Lewis, Mundy, Allen, Brown, Worilds, Sylvester.

Fact: The lone Pro bowler drafted by Mike Tomlin is Lamarr Woodley.

Since Tomlin has been in Pittsburgh the Steelers on D that have been in the pro bowl are all Cowher's boys accept for Lamarr. But Tomlin has done good for the offense. Wallace and Brown have both been have they not? He just needs to focus on getting players that fit our system. We always have the philosophy of taking the "best player available" but why not try the philosophy of "best player available FOR OUR SYSTEM"? How many of the guys Tomlin has been taking on D are products of the 3-4? Hood isn't and neither is Timmons. How about Heyward? Do I have a point or am I missing something?

 

I agree and I should've mentioned Colbert but I'm not sure exactly where the ultimate authority lies in picking the players. I just think that since Tomlin prefers the 4-3 that maybe he tells Colbert that that's the kind of player he is looking for. Under Cowher we seemed to build on D. Under Tomlin we seem to build on O. Colbert has been there for both and that makes me think that he gives the coaches a lot of input.

 

You know I've actually thought about putting up a thread about whether or not the rivalry is still as interesting as it was. It just seems like we are both sorta coming back down to earth. Hopefully the Ravens window is closed and hopefully it is still open for us. It just seems like Troy and Ed Reed and Harrison and Suggs are not what they used to be and also without Hines here we don't have the guy on offense to really talk enough smack to generate some entertaining drama. But I have noticed that both of our defenses seem to be on the decline though. However the Ravens have effectively used free agency though. Boldin was a HUGE steal that we should've took! He's basically their Hines.

 

Agreed. That is his job after all

 

Yeah but look around Blount, thats the whole direction the league has taken, it's all about offense now. I know football is a little different because of the whole war room thing on draft day and before hand they work up several mock drafts which of course Tomlin would obviously have input into who he wants on his squad but ultimately the responsibility falls on the GM I would think.[/quote:emj4hzdq]
Yeah Goodell has sent defense the way of the dinosaur definitely.

 

The last time I heard talk like this ...we went 6-10...remember that year?!

 

But don't you get a feeling that...nowadays there are teams that make a couple of draft moves and scoop up a player that would fit the Steeler mold just so the team can't draft them? I've seen a few head-scratcher moves from other teams to move up in front of the Steelers to take a player off the board that they really didn't need. Draft Day is now a huge chess match. Get your guys, but keep certain teams from getting their guys.

 

Yeah Goodell has sent defense the way of the dinosaur definitely.[/quote:3b8etsbx]


i don't think it will be that different then when the west coast offense came to the league. the first few years everyone was saying how will we ever stop this. defenses catch up and we are in that transition period of figuring out these new rules and 3 step drop offenses.

you also know that within the last 3 years, alot more teams switched back to the 3-4, when at one point we were the only one running it. we had our pick of the best 3-4 guys. now we don't have that.

MT also had a top 5 defense every year already sitting in place. he drafted a few guys but for what seemed like , more of a backup role, because of who was already here. well it went on a little to long and is now catching up to us. i don't think it's even hit rock bottom yet, until we see the end of harrison, troy,ike,clark,casey and keisel.

as for the coaches input on the draft, i'll bet it's alot more of who the coach wants then you think. he's the one building the team. you hired him to build his team, but they ultimately have to give a thumbs up to his picks. money,contracts,age and all kinds of things have to be factored into the draft equation years down the road. there has to be alot more to it then just getting a certain player. how much is spent by the offense as opposed to the defense and who's up for contract come two years from now or who will retire before we would have to re-sign this guy or that guy on each side of the ball. i'd love to be a fly on the wall through some of this process, i'll bet it's deeper then most think.