Yes I have heard of them and yes they were good coaches. There, that's settled. To believe Todd Haley deserves to be listed with these gentlemen is absurd. He got the Steeler job bouncing off his fathers connection to the Rooney's. He stayed on because Tomlin doesn't require discipline anywhere on our team & was correctly released. Hard Knocks showed the man in his self absorbed arrogance & we're back to who in Steeler Nation gives a damn? .. I Do Not!