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Haley likely to interview with Arizona this week

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by Blast Furnace, Jan 7, 2013.

  1. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    http://www.steelersdepot.com/2013/0...poor-play-by-roethlisberger-down-the-stretch/:cool:
     
  2. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Interesting piece but a little misleading, pre-injury he had more then double the attempts in every category but one and even in that one he still had 10 more attempts. As myself and many here have said, there is a lot of blame to go around, Haleys lack of adjustments is part of it, Bens injury was part of it, if people think Ben was even close to 100% after only missing 3 weeks with those injuries they are fooling themselves.
     
  3. Concussion

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    Interesting piece but a little misleading, pre-injury he had more then double the attempts in every category but one and even in that one he still had 10 more attempts. As myself and many here have said, there is a lot of blame to go around, Haleys lack of adjustments is part of it, Bens injury was part of it, if people think Ben was even close to 100% after only missing 3 weeks with those injuries they are fooling themselves.[/QUOTE]

    I don't understand why it is misleading. The author is comparing percentages and showing attempts. I think it demonstrates a point. Roethlisberger is a back yard gun slinger that has trouble with the short passing game when the defense is expecting it. Everyone knows that this is not his strength. Haley experimented with this approach in his first year with BR and I expect his game plan to mix it up more next year since he knows his QB and team better.

    I expect a better year next year barring key injuries on O and D. Compare the injury list with the salary chart and you can see that the most valuable players were injured.
     
  4. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    I don't understand why it is misleading. The author is comparing percentages and showing attempts. I think it demonstrates a point. Roethlisberger is a back yard gun slinger that has trouble with the short passing game when the defense is expecting it. Everyone knows that this is not his strength. Haley experimented with this approach in his first year with BR and I expect his game plan to mix it up more next year since he knows his QB and team better.

    I expect a better year next year barring key injuries on O and D. Compare the injury list with the salary chart and you can see that the most valuable players were injured.[/QUOTE]

    It's misleading because he threw double the amount of passes, you going to tell me that your completion percentages won't be better with less attempts?
     
  5. Concussion

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    It's misleading because he threw double the amount of passes, you going to tell me that your completion percentages won't be better with less attempts?[/QUOTE]

    Yes, why should the completion percentage decrease with more attempts?
     
  6. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Yes, why should the completion percentage decrease with more attempts?[/QUOTE]

    Get out of here, seriously?
     
  7. Concussion

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    Get out of here, seriously?[/QUOTE]

    Yeah, seriously. Why?
     
  8. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Yeah, seriously. Why?[/QUOTE]

    Try hitting the same spot 5 times and then trying to hit it 10 times and tell me which is easier. Take baseball for instance, guys hitting .500 at the beginning of the season but the more at bats the lower the average gets. It's just law of averages, the more pass attempts the more incompletions you'll have.
     
  9. Concussion

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    Try hitting the same spot 5 times and then trying to hit it 10 times and tell me which is easier. Take baseball for instance, guys hitting .500 at the beginning of the season but the more at bats the lower the average gets. It's just law of averages, the more pass attempts the more incompletions you'll have.[/QUOTE]

    There are just as many players that start cold at the beginning of the season Ben's first game was somewhere around 57%, the next two were near 70%.)

    Many players start slow and then build up their averages in baseball. Yes some start fast and go down. But many get better as the year goes along.
     
  10. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Yeah well when you are hitless your average can only go up. Believe what you want but it's easier to have more completions with fewer attempts then you will with double the attempts. More chances for the QB to be off the mark, more chances the defender will make a good play on the ball, more chances the WR drops the ball, it's just more difficult and not something really debatable.
     
  11. Romans5:8

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    I assume you mean completion percentage?

    If so, then, as you say, it certainly requires fewer completions to gain a higher completion percentage when the attempts are fewer. However, a significant increase in attempts is much more likely to yield a more telling/accurate quarterback critique (in this case, accuracy measured by completion percentage).
     
  12. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    yes, completion percentage, in an article posted in this thread, they were comparing Bens completion percentage before and after he got hurt, but he had double the amount of attempts before the injury, so it's not really painting an accurate picture. The article was trying to make the argument that Bens injury wasn't effecting his play.
     
  13. strummerfan

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    It may or may not have affected his play. Only Ben knows for sure all we can do is speculate. However, we do know that the team couldn't run to save their lives and defenses were selling out covering short passes.
     
  14. blackandgoldpatrol

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    a more telling sign would be to post our offensive rankings up to ben's injury..... i think that would end some of the madness and shed more than enough light on the situation...... does anyone know the numbers?
     
  15. FeartheBeard

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    There is no denying that Ben was not the same player when he returned.
     
  16. strummerfan

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    I'm not going to figure out the statistics, but here is the number of points we scored each week and the number of teams that scored fewer points. Basically we were very average.

    Week 1 19pts- 9 teams scored fewer points
    Week 2 27pts- 16 teams scored fewer points
    Week 3 31pts-21 teams scored fewer points
    week 4 bye
    week 5 16pts 10 teams
    week 6 23pts 9 teams
    week 7 24pts 11 teams
    week 8 27pts 20 teams
    week 9 24pts 16 teams
     
  17. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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  18. freakfontana

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    seems haley want to stay , good i like his attitude
     
  19. shadowmaker

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    I thought hes agent knew 100% that Haley wasnt going for the interview. :hmmm:
     
  20. JackAttack 5958

    JackAttack 5958 Well-Known Member

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    Sounds like Haley wants Fitgerald money. :lol:
     
  21. blountforcetrauma

    blountforcetrauma Well-Known Member

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    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL! YOU ARE THE MAAAAAAN JACK!!!!
     
  22. Blast Furnace

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    Cardinals lost another coach they were targeting, Mike McCoy, the OC for Denver is now HC of SD. The odds just shifted back to Haley becoming their HC.
     
  23. blountforcetrauma

    blountforcetrauma Well-Known Member

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    Dang! This is not good news for our club. LOL.
     
  24. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    I have to admit, I'm a little nervous about Haley remaining the OC :tomato:What I'm nervous about is him ruining Ben by trying to turn him into something he isn't. How many times do we see that happen to athletes in whatever sport? Coaches trying to change a player and end up ruining them. I liked the quick passing game, I liked that Ben was taking less sacks but at what cost? Did Ben lead one successful game winning drive last year? No, he threw 3 game ending interceptions. Bens a big play QB and you hand cuff him all game with the dink and dunk and then when we need that big play magic from him, it's not there because he was doing something else for 55 minutes. I'm on the fence with this, I'd hate to start over with a new OC again but it might be worse to keep Haley. I'll step down as VP now and hand in my resignation :write:
     
  25. blountforcetrauma

    blountforcetrauma Well-Known Member

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    Oh man... I'm killed but I understand. I actually agree though. I say we give him one more year to see if he takes the training wheels off ya know and if he doesn't then he definitely should go. I don't think we will really be able to say until the first 3 plays of next season. If they are run, run, pass then we know it's time to totally abolish the Todd Haley Fan Club. I've almost GOTTA believe that we are gonna try and spread the field a little more next year. BUT if the Rooney's were pleased with what we saw this year then we could very well be in for more of the same. But ya know what's weird is that Haley had the number one offense in AZ and seems to me like Ben would LOVE to have that kind of offense. I mean Warner was slinging it all over the place when he was there. Maybe Haley could bring a little of that in to our playbook. I will say this and you KNOW that I'm the biggest BA hater on this board probably but I will say that the team seemed to lack a "chemistry" this year and maybe that is due to the fact that Ben is just not clicking with Haley. Only time is gonna really tell. But I think if Ben would be kept upright and we would settle on a back and our WRs would CATCH THE DANG BALL all could be well in BlackandGoldville. I mean we HAVE to hope right???
     

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