Haley and AB have it out on the sideline....

Was the offense a well-oiled machine when Arians was here? No, not exactly. Arians has since looked pretty good in Indy and now at Arizona (albeit in only two games). Haley had modest success in Arizona and KC.

So who are the knuckleheads?

 

Interesting. AB was probably chewing Haley out for the stupid Cotch end around lol

Smart. Pick the slowest WR

Bman

 

I was not one of the FBAI and I am not jumping off the bridge over Haley yet.

There was plenty of opportunities for balls to be caught . Ben was overshooting his receivers. Even with Moye in there it would not help with Bens throws lol

Bman

 

It pains me to say it but you don't have to look any further than who those teams have at the QB position. I'm not attached at the hip with Haley but there are alot of people saying Bens and Haley's lack of a relationship was blown out of proportion last year. They were also supposedly getting together so well this year. You can't let the players run the asylum. If we do continue to struggle and do look to change OCs next year we need to go young and absolutely no re-treads. We need one of those young brilliant minds.

 

Sorry AB, no sympathy. As the article states, he was targeted 9 times. He also happened to be the team's leading receiver with 6 catches. He should be talking to Ben about more targets, not necessarily Haley. Haley doesn't dictate which WR to throw the ball to, if Ben doesn't see you open, he moves on to his next target. Stupid, ridiculous reporting by Bouchette if you ask me, he just keeps wanting to stir up stuff since his buddy BA is gone.

 

as far as the players not being allowed to run the asylum. maybe it depends on who those players and OC's are. Denver and it's OC had no trouble with peyton and he making the playbook to fit peyton. virtually letting peyton design it. that has worked quite well out there. so it's not out of the question that it can work between the right OC and the right qb.

 

And that's what our previous OC did. He sat down with our franchise qb and designed a playbook they were both comfortable with. Haley came in and said here it is deal with it. For crying out loud Ben wasn't even allowed to use audibles last year.

 

I agree and thought they worked that out.

 

I somewhat disagree. Sanders and Brown are starting because they are highest on the totem pole. They may be better talent yes, but insert any WR into a starting role and throw to them and they will compile numbers, which is used to arrange people on the totem pole. The key is to find the players that provide the spark to the offense, like Hines always did.

Even Nate Washington and Holmes provided sparks. I distinctly recall some of their big players.

I cannot recall many if any of Brown's or Sanders big plays. I honestly don't even remember Brown having the season that warranted the Steelers giving him a massive contract. He sure doesn't score TD's either.

I think its time to give new guys a try to see if they have spark players. If they don't, then get more.

 

Please anyone and everyone please stop comparing what Manning can do vs Ben. It's apples and oranges.

 

I'm pretty sure that was nothing more than lip service. Ben's demeanor coming off the field and on the sidelines doesn't point to a happy franchise qb. I'll bet dollars to donuts when Ben's tell all book comes out it will have at least one chapter dedicated to the suckage known as todd motherlovin haley.

 

how was I comparing ben to manning? everytime someone see's brady or manning in a thread, they jump on it as a comparison. this has nothing to do with one vs. the other. it's about building an offense with what a qb does well to an offensive coordinators expectations and execution to make it work for the team.

manning is allowed to draft his offense with his OC. brady fit's belacheats offense and what they try to do offensively. that's why it works. it's not a comparison of one guy against another by any stretch.

 

He also turned around to look back during his good kick return and I was wondering what the crap he was thinking. He also had that play where he just laid down on the ground while he was running.

 

I thought that at first, but when I watched the replay it looked like he slipped.

 

As much as I would like to blame Haley for all the team's woes, it goes much deeper than that. You know you are in trouble when your starting center goes down and you bring in someone off the street not for depth mind you, but to start! We have developed no TE's since Heath, and he is in his 9th year. We lose our #1 WR and don't replace him. We spend major draft picks on the O line because our O line was sub par. Now I would settle for sub par because this line is the worst in football right now. And last but not least, we are playing RB's that have either been cut or wouldn't make the cut with other teams. This all adds up to a major lack in player development (coaching,) and poor personnel decisions (GM.) If we are honest with ourselves, our offense has been unacceptable for years. I respect the heck out of the Rooneys and the way they do things, but I don't see how this gets turned around without purging both the front office and the coaching staff.

 

Yeah, but I'd rather have Ben, he's won 2 and lost 1. Peyton is 1 and 1

 

it takes more then one player, but read my above.

 

Maybe I'm misinterpreting what you're trying to say. It works for Peyton and Denver because Peyton's football IQ is off the charts that's why he is able to design his own offense. He can read defenses as good as anyone who has ever played the game. Which also happens to be one of Bens biggest weaknesses, am I wrong? You're right in the right situation it can work,but I don't think it applies to this one. They need to find a happy medium somehow. The days of Ben being Ben are few and far between.

In order for this O to take the next step they need to find some kind of system that works. For better or worse "sandlot" has got to go. It might be good for a play or two here or there but what we need is consistency. Even when people look back to the "glory days" of BA,lol ,we were the best from the 20 to the 20 but we still couldn't score the ball. The NFL these days is about scoring points and "sandlot" has run it's course. If Ben isn't willing to be part of a pro-style offense the struggles will continue.

 

Ok, we drafted Wheaton for the future, but why is that this organization usually doesn't let rookies play that much (exception being Jarvis Jones)? He's plenty talented enough, play him! What the hell do we have to lose at this point even two games in? He's fast and can stretch the damn field! As far as I am concerned, Haley is an idiot and Tomlin is in over his head! I'm not saying that AB was right or wrong, but heads needs to roll and like fast IF you want to salvage this season! I also blame the Rooney's for hiring Haley and also will blame Colbert for the poor drafting in the last 4-5 years! Lot's of blame to go around, but Haley is NOT the OC we need. If you say that he doesn't have the personnel to run HIS offense, I say BS! Work BETTER with what you DO have!

 

well you get the jist of it. whatever system they come up with they both have to make it work. you can't just bring in an offense and expect every qb to run it. square peg , round hole theory. haley has to quit trying to make this team something it's not. run the friggin wishbone if that's what it takes.

 

Folks, as I said in my other reply, this is just the beginning. Brace yourselves. The Steelers are about to collapse from the inside out. Brown is an idiot. No matter how bad "he" thinks the calls are, he should be more professional than this.

Looks like he is doing a Wallace here, since Wallace moaned and cried like a baby after he only had one catch in Miami's opener.

This is not good when players start to gripe to the Press. It just shows there is a huge amount of discourse in the locker room.

rutan

 

If this keeps up, I am expecting to see an epic meltdown on that sideline.