Great receivers beat double teams

I would take Julio over AB anyday, I don't think NE slowed Julio he caught every pass thrown to him. Atlanta didn't throw to him enough IMO.

 

There's no way they can do it consistently id Bryant is anywhere close to what he was when he was suspended.

He's got the size and speed that you can't teach and he's got great vision after the catch. Not as technical of a route runner as AB, but he does surprise people with his quickness for a long guy.

 

That's an issue as well. The Steelers "seem" to refuse to take what the defense gives them for long stretches of games. The Patriots just go with it. You give them something and they'll do it all day! Not afraid to keep doing it! We've seen Hayley do some crazy drive killing crap at times!

 

An interesting idea. When you clearly have one receiver who is your #1, the other team can try to take them out of the game. If you don't have a clear #1, but several more average players of equal ability, that may actually present more of a coverage challenge for a defense. I think that is the Pats offense. So many options, as no one is clearly the guy to cover.

 

Yup they really only had a couple true #1's over the years. You saw what they did with Randy Moss!

The key is they have someone else equally as good at other positions that they can just flex to on each play. That offense is designed around the "Whatever I need to do against your defense I can" mentality not the star player will beat you every week.

 

Big Ben doesn't throw in to tight windows in big games... AB can't beat a double team if the ball isn't thrown to him.

 

im not sold that you have to have big wrs to be successful, but thats one area where i think you do need a big strong wr to be. you cant force the ball into dbl coverage with a small wr. odds are not in his favor. a guy like Julio Jones can out jump, out muscle and out reach most dbs and safties. AB isnt gonna do that.

 

yeah I noticed the other day he is 6'5, thats 2 inches taller than julio jones. I knew bryant was tall but thought he was 6'2 not 6'5! most corners are 5'10 to 6 ft so that is a huge reach advantage.

 

Edelmann is a nobody?Maybe that's how he manages to consistently get open, break tackles and gain silly YAC. Why bother covering or tackling a nobody!

 

Nobody expects you to beat double coverage. The difference in Julio and AB is 1) Julio is fine with being a decoy and not going to throw a fit and 2) Going to run the right route every time so when is number is called his QB can trust him.

 

SDUMB

 

I'm not sure about him. But we'll see.

 

I'll make this short
W Welker with dolphins = average wr
W Welker with patriots = great wr
W Welker with Denver = back to average or below average wr.
Is he even Playing anymore?

 

Okay but, you were talking about now. I don't know why everyone discounts Brady's receivers. Edelmann and whosywhatsit are pretty damned good. Would they do as well on a different team? Who knows. Since you brought up Welker, I don't know what he did in Miami but, he was really good in Denver until the concussions took over

 

When I look at the Superbowl Champs from the past years I see a clear pattern ...Not 1 of the Teams with stud WR'S have won the big game in awhile...I contend if you pay up at the WR position then you leave the rest of the Team to weak ...Coach T and KC stated they desired to be like the Pats ...Well to do that you have to know when to pay up and when not to ...#1 Our Team is not strong enough on the Defensive side of the ball to pay up at WR...#2 Our Team will be looking for a QB very soon as well...AB with a new QB will be closer to a average WR than he will be a stud ...

The Team is getting trade offers already so let's hope we can get a really nice offer and I really think we should take it ..

 

exactly. getting rid of your #1 wr just because you dont have anyone that stepped up to be the #2 makes ZERO sense. its up to those other guys to take that next step our the front office to go out and find one. i would much rather have a great wr and hope that another guy steps up than to have a bunch of average guys. which is exactly what everyone not named AB was last season.

the idea that the Patriots have a bunch of average wrs is crazy. Brady makes those guys look great, but if they didnt have talent to start with they would be killing teams like they do.

 

The Pats WR'S have no more talent than any of the Steeler's WR'S ..As I stated in the other thread a top heavy O will not get us past the Pats...Have to be able to play great Defense and control the Football ..We don't have the D , but moving AB could make that happen...We can control the ball and I think AB might actually hold this O back , Ben locks in on him and focuses to much on him if he was not here then Ben would be forced to hit the open man..That's what the Pats do ..One week 1 RB catches 10 balls for over 100,another week a young WR catches a bunch, another week it's a different WR, then it's a different RB...Then it's a TE and another week a different young WR..

They do the same thing with the running game any given week any of the 3 could go off.. They have depth and Quality depth because the highest paid WR is 4.25 Mil that allows for a stronger Team..

 

Nope , but make Ben and Haley actually develop different attacks for different Teams and let the guy who is getting open be the star..If we spread it around we would be much stronger..Harder to stop if you have to defend every blade of grass...

 

Nope it is not easier..The reason is the timing...If you double the #1 and the QB has to look there 1st as Ben does then this allows blitzes and pressure to get home ..The key to spreading it around is pre snap and learning the best place to go before the snap...Ben can do that I believe if he was made to do so ...Use Bell to draw the extra defender with the running game ...

 

Yea, the Broncos didn't pay up their #1 WR. wrong!

And they were able to pay two elite pass rushers, and 2 shutdown corners as well.

The "trade Brown" promoters are ****ing morons

Ps the Pat's paid up their #1 WR... Gronkowski.