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Great receivers beat double teams

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by Blast Furnace, Feb 7, 2017.

  1. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    AB vs NE Championship Game:

    7 for 77 - 0 TD's


    Julio vs NE Super Bowl:

    4 for 87 - 0 TD's


    Another fan notion up in smoke.
     
  2. DSteelerCT

    DSteelerCT Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, I don't know if it's WR not beating as much as it's the QB taking what the D is giving. If Ben were to force throws into double coverage, they would still get their fair share of completions.
     
  3. shaner82

    shaner82 Well-Known Member

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    Name one play where Julio didn't beat his man? Julio was a beast that game but Matt Ryan didn't give him many chances. When they threw to him, he came down with the ball, making ridiculous catches in the process.

    Julio can and will beat double coverage when he's given the chance. He's one of my favourite players in the league so I've seen probably 90% of his games. He doesn't get shut down, although Atlanta uses him as a decoy far too often.

    Julio never complains and is absolutely a team first player. Brown could learn a thing or two from him
     
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  4. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    I dont know and you cant possibly know either from just watching the game.

    Double teams can shut anyone down, dont care who the receiver is.
     
  5. RPO IZSB

    RPO IZSB Well-Known Member

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    With great reads or great throws, a WR doesn't need to beat the double team. Take that insane sideline catch Julio made in the 4th quarter. He didn't beat the double team, the coverage was perfect, but the throw and catch were even better.
     
  6. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    I agree but there is this idea floating around that AB isnt great because he was shut down by NE. Obviously thats not the only game AB has been double teamed and still puts up big numbers.

    Just another silly fan narrative I was having fun with :smiley1:
     
  7. shaner82

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    The answer is 0. He had 4 targets and 4 receptions. Even when he was covered, he still made the catch. Guys like Julio are never truly covered.

    Yes, double teams can shut anyone down, but guys like Julio can also go up and get the ball even if two defenders are draped on him.

    I'm not saying brown can't also beat double teams because he can, I'm just saying, your stats in the original post do not prove that Julio can't or didn't beat double coverage. You saw the catches he made. He caught everything they threw his way and there's no reason to think he wouldn't have continued to do so if they gave him a chance.

    AB's stats also don't prove that he didn't or couldn't beat double coverage. Stats alone don't tell the whole story
     
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  8. steelers5859

    steelers5859 Well-Known Member

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    Exactly why we need a definite number two receiver
     
  9. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Lack of targets indicates he wasn't open. I dont buy he was used as a decoy, this is what Belichick does, takes away the other teams best weapon.

    Thats why all the talk about AB not being great after the NE game was silly. Belichick took both AB and Julio out of the game.
     
  10. groutbrook

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    It's hard to compare the the two (AB&JJ) considering JJ is 5-6 inches taller than AB. It's not always the receivers ability to beat a double team as it is the QB's willingness to throw into it. Calvin Johnson and Randy Moss come to mind as guys with the ability to beat any coverage based on their size and skill, and playing with QB's willing to challenge the coverage. The 'throw it up in any coverage and let the receiver go get it' strategy isn't going to work much with a guy AB's size and we've seen the result when it's attempted.

    Here's an example of CJ catching one in triple coverage that would have been picked if it was almost any other receiver, certainly AB and probably JJ.
    http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-cant-...70/WK-7-Can-t-Miss-Play-Johnson-beats-cover-3
     
  11. Da Stellars

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    If Steelers had a legit #2 WR on the other side, Defenses wouldn't be able to game plan AB completely out of the game.

    I don't think Haley moved AB around the field enough in the AFCCG to get him open though.
     
  12. Jammasterc

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    Jones was mostly used as a decoy and I hated that.
    He had 4 catches, six other players caught a few each and some for big yards.
     
  13. SanDiegoSteel

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    Exactly Falcons have Sanu and Gabriel who were better than any steeler WR not named Brown. With Bryant back (hopefully) I'd love to see teams double AB and get torched by bryant.
     
  14. lovembig

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    ABs numbers slipped a bit this year. the fact that Bryant wasnt there made a big difference. Bryant isnt the same every down threat AB is, but he has the ability to spread the defense and score from anywhere. his size is also a mismatch which makes defenses cheat his way.

    the fact is, it was AB and a bunch of kids at wr. Rogers, Hamilton, Ayers and Coats will all be better next season. add Bryant back into the mix and AB is back to putting up monster numbers.

    too many people associate tall wr with great wr. ask Tom Brady how he likes his little wrs.
     
  15. Da Stellars

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    Sign Terrell Pryor! No Joke, that dude is beast!
     
  16. fer69

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    The Patriots have nobody at wr 1 and a nobody at wr 2 and and Brady still threw for 4 million yards!:shrug:
    You don't need a #2 wr IF the coaches know what the hell they're doing
     
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  17. PWP

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    Exactly why we need to trade AB and build a stronger Team .....The Pats guys said it they never know who will step up it depends on who has the best match up at that time ....We have guys who can play and make plays if given the chance ..Haley and Ben don't adjust enough or spread the ball around enough ...Ben still likes guys to be College open and AB is really the only guy skilled enough to do that...Ben will be gone soon so we need to work to make stronger Team..
     
  18. groutbrook

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    You could also ask Tom Brady which tall WR caught an NFL record 23 TD's in their 16-0 season; ).
     
  19. Blast Furnace

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  20. BigBensBigBong

    BigBensBigBong Well-Known Member

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    Seems to me the Patriots have below average receivers, yet their system gets them open.

    I think we have a lack of imagination on offense. For instance, when Brown is double covered, there are ways to beat the coverage. Only a couple times I saw us have him run a short cross over the middle to get him open for a short pass, but we do not keep doing something disruptive.

    We must find a way to blow up defensive strategy that takes Brown out of the game.
     
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  21. lovembig

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    true, but they didnt win the super bowl that year either.
     
  22. blountforcetrauma

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    He also took Le'Veon out of the game. Until it is proven otherwise, I'm just gonna choose to believe that Bill used the Jedi mind trick on Le'Veon's groin the same way Vader would choke an insubordinate Admiral. LOL! Also I would take AB over Julio and the talk of trading AB is what Hank Hill would refer to as "just asinine".
     
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  23. rukus4ever

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    I think the coaching staff created options. The other WRs couldn't catch the ball in the AFCC. I believe this is why myself and others hope Bryant has exorcised his demons and is ready to play ball. We know he can catch.

    I guess Coates still has issues with the two broken fingers. Prior to damaging his hand, he was shaping up well as a #2 to AB.
     
  24. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    bryant could be julio like if he'd work on his craft of football instead of the other one. you would really see what AB has and if green were healthy our offense would be one that is capable of beating the pats. having a healthy bell with all our weapons and they can't take them all away. we have the horses we just need the health and brain power to put it all together. :cool:
     
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  25. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    Martavis Bryant :shrug:
     

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