Great Article on Jason Worlids and I could't agree more

I understand what you're saying and it's a valid point. That comment alone probably would not be enough to raise the ire of the average fan, but our history of holding players back for, in some cases, a lesser performing veteran player (ie Heyward/Hood, McClendon/Hampton, Thomas/Clark, Worilds/Woodley) is a very frustrating aspect of our "complicated" defense. Simplify it and let the players go out there and make plays.

 

LOL BRUCE DAVIS
so true

thanks for that perspective

 

What a load.

 

The only issue I have is with the " complexity of the scheme" arguement. Wouldn't this great scheme work to put play makers on the field? It could use their skill set while having someone watch their deficiencies. Isn't that kinda what Troy P does for us?

Best 11 on the field for a given situation. I think the scheme needs to bend a bit more to allow a certain skill to shine.

 

In most of the games the defense didn't get stops either when they needed them, those QB's may not have put up huge numbers but the defense wasn't good enough to help the team win.

 

Good point...

Or the fact we have the 22nd ranked run D

 

i'm worried this article means worilds thinks he is gone next year

 

I hear ya thorn, but I struggle when you see somebody like Woodley last coming in so out of shape and struggling and you don't put in Worilds in his place. Along with you have Ziggy Hood who was struggling last year and not replaced with Heywood, this year it's Ryan Clark and he is not getting replaced.

I just think DL is slow in sitting his veterans and slow in putting in the younger guys. Just too old fashion in this area, and afraid to make changes..

 

I'm still trying to figure out how you "shouler" the blame.

 

I have heard reference to Thomas replacing Clark a few times, and I would like to clarify that Thomas is a strong safety and not a free safety. Thomas is Troy's back-up. I believe that Golden is the back-up free safety and Will Allen plays both, with strong safety being his better position.

 

how about Curtis brown? should he be playing over ike this year? how about last year?

cortez did. they came in the same year and cortez was ranked and drafted after brown. < if you are talented enough, you will play.

now if Curtis brown stays and becomes a good player next year, does that mean he was held back by the system? he's not shown me , he's capable of anything so far, let alone the coaches that see him every day.

how about carter? he was given a chance to start at one time, when Harrison was hurt, oh and worilds again too at that time. he played last week and I have to say, it ain't the scheme holding him back, it's him.

worilds plays well on one side. they did everything they could to give him the right side job, yet he was never up to par there. is that the schemes fault?

as far as the shark not seeing time, well he was hurt for about 4 weeks now. before that he was seeing a good deal of time on the field. he is a rookie remember. he was even taught some nickel corner this year. sure this will take a little time, but he was coming on fine. still I didn't want him starting and watching over the deep field while they moved troy up in an injured LB'ers spot. then with the missed practice time with the injury.

ziggy my butt. ziggy has played pretty well and started early in the system. heyward came out of his shell so to speak at the end of last year. up until that time he wasn't playing that well, but playing.

Williams is playing better as the year goes. arnfelt has now seen some game action already. woods has taken a hold of his opportunity. JJ has played and started this year. garvin has also. Wilson played and started at one point.

why were all these guys not told you won't see the field? not being ready has a lot to do with the jimmy's and joe's, and not the x's and o's in many players scenario's. young guys are seeing the field more than a lot of people are aware of, they just are not making plays for you to notice.

they also came from far different defenses in college. they didn't all come from 3-4 schemes. so yes it will take some guys longer. worilds was a DE in college. so was Woodley. I don't think either are a complete LB yet. there is a transition period.

some are also not as smart as others. let's face it.

 

I did use Pryor as an example primarily because of the record setting run right out of the gate, so he did obviously find a hole in our defense. I mean, whodathunk Pryor would have used his legs, right? Why worry about him actually faking it to the RB and taking off himself? Why even worry about that? I'm sorry, but that play still ticks me off. That we wouldn't have three guys keying on Pryor to run the ball still perplexes the daylights out of me. Our defense has had a sucky season and Pryor's record setting run was one of MANY records set against our defense this year.

But back to the main point, I think it's ridiculous for a coaching staff to tell a player that essentially, even if they EARN THE JOB by outperforming the incumbent, they still will ride the pine. How demoralizing is that for a young player? I thought that a coaching staff's job was to be fair and impartial and to start the players that give you the best opportunity to win the football game. I just still can't get over Worild's comment and if true, Rooney should be calling someone on the carpet.

 

Correct...but I am Fairly certain he can adjust...

 

How about just given them a break so Harrison and Woodley can be fresh in the 4th quarter..

 

Blast, I'm not saying he looked like Peyton Manning that game. The point I'm trying to make is that he found a hole and exploited it which cost us the game! Whether that was because somebody blew an assignment or they discovered a fatal tendency in the defense, I don't know. But the fact is we knew that Pryor couldn't beat us with his arm, that the only way he could do it was with his legs AND WE STILL WEREN'T PREPARED FOR IT!! We should have been getting ready for EVERY CONCEIVABLE QB RUN PLAY in practice that week but we obviously missed that one somehow! He didn't have a great game, but he set a freaking NFL record which cost us the game!

 

Jack i address this in the "Is the scheme to complex" thread there is a big difference between knowing the ins and outs of what you are suppose to do on any given play and a QB being coached to find the weak spots in zone coverage. Huge difference in the two.

 

Not saying that at all, Blast, but I still don't understand how we could not be expecting that. Pryor faked the ball to the RB and nobody, NOBODY, went with Pryor. I would have thought that ALL week long our defensive coaches would have been imploring our defensive players to NOT ALLOW PRYOR TO BEAT YOU WITH HIS GREATEST STRENGTH, his legs. And there was a time this year that our defense was giving up offensive records at a, dare I say it, record pace. Our defense has sucked wind this year and stat lines of opposing QBs don't always tell the story. How many times this year have we needed a play from our defense, or needed to get off the field and give the ball back to our offense and failed to do so?

 

I'll have to go back and review that, thorn.

 

Hell I was screaming that from my couch. I seriously doubt ANY NFL d-coordinator wouldn't stress that. If they didn't, they shouldn't have a job. I'd have a real hard time believing the DL didn't do it with the Steelers D in prepping for the Oakland game. It comes down to execution. Ryan Clark bit so hard on the play action it wasn't funny. I don't see how that is on Lebeau. You could beat it into Ryan Clarks head all week with a Louisville Slugger to watch for the Terrell Pryor play action option and he could still bite on it. Thats on the player, not the DC. Thats execution, not scheme.