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Discussion in 'The Bill Nunn Draft Room' started by mac daddyo, Nov 21, 2013.

  1. GB_Steel

    GB_Steel Well-Known Member

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    I personally think the size stigma is overrated in the NFL. A lot of guys are knocked for their lack of size yet go on to enjoy successful careers. I'd have no problem with a 5'11" 225# OLB, as long as he has the fire we need. I'll have to check him out. Wasn't Greg Lloyd always listed at 225? Size (mainly height) is also the knock on Chris Borland, LB from WI, who is the heart and soul of one of the better statistical defenses in the country. I'd take Borland no questions asked.

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    Read a little on Allen and he sounds like a Pete Carroll guy, 100%; unfortunately, I don't think we even sniff him. Just my gut reaction, and the reason I think he's a Carroll guy is that he's considered undersized and a tweener LB/S guy who many teams probably think won't be able to find a position for. Carroll doesn't give a crap about that stuff, and seems to take flyers on explosive, productive guys. He's the kind of guy our defense needs (explosive and electric) so I hope that I'm wrong and we leave him on our board.
     
    Last edited: Nov 27, 2013
  2. freakfontana

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    i like attaouchu at olb
     
  3. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Never know, we took Shamarko, he's considered undersize. I agree though, we need ballers.
     
  4. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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    Anyone catch Jordan Mathews today? I liked him before...
     
  5. scruffy

    scruffy Well-Known Member

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    Can any of you "draft experts" provide a link that give a trade value for what a pick is worth in trade (ex: round #1 selection 16 is worth what in a trade for a round #2 and/or round#3 picks) ??

    thanks in advance :smiley1:
     
  6. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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    Sure thing. They're a general guideline.
    http://walterfootball.com/draftchart.php


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    [TD]27[/TD]
    [TD]193[/TD]
    [TD]14.2[/TD]
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    [TD]34[/TD]
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    [TD]98[/TD]
    [TD]108[/TD]
    [TD]130[/TD]
    [TD]42[/TD]
    [TD]162[/TD]
    [TD]26.6[/TD]
    [TD]194[/TD]
    [TD]13.8[/TD]
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    [TD]3[/TD]
    [TD]2,200[/TD]
    [TD]35[/TD]
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    [TD]99[/TD]
    [TD]104[/TD]
    [TD]131[/TD]
    [TD]41[/TD]
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    [TD]26.2[/TD]
    [TD]195[/TD]
    [TD]13.4[/TD]
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    [TD]1,800[/TD]
    [TD]36[/TD]
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    [TD]68[/TD]
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    [TD]40[/TD]
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    [TD]196[/TD]
    [TD]13[/TD]
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    [TD]1,700[/TD]
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    [TD]245[/TD]
    [TD]101[/TD]
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    [TD]133[/TD]
    [TD]39.5[/TD]
    [TD]165[/TD]
    [TD]25.4[/TD]
    [TD]197[/TD]
    [TD]12.6[/TD]
    [/TR]
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    [TD]6[/TD]
    [TD]1,600[/TD]
    [TD]38[/TD]
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    [TD]70[/TD]
    [TD]240[/TD]
    [TD]102[/TD]
    [TD]92[/TD]
    [TD]134[/TD]
    [TD]39[/TD]
    [TD]166[/TD]
    [TD]25[/TD]
    [TD]198[/TD]
    [TD]12.2[/TD]
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    [TD]7[/TD]
    [TD]1,500[/TD]
    [TD]39[/TD]
    [TD]510[/TD]
    [TD]71[/TD]
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    [TD]103[/TD]
    [TD]88[/TD]
    [TD]135[/TD]
    [TD]38.5[/TD]
    [TD]167[/TD]
    [TD]24.6[/TD]
    [TD]199[/TD]
    [TD]11.8[/TD]
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    [TR]
    [TD]8[/TD]
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    [TD]40[/TD]
    [TD]500[/TD]
    [TD]72[/TD]
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    [TD]86[/TD]
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    [TD]168[/TD]
    [TD]24.2[/TD]
    [TD]200[/TD]
    [TD]11.4[/TD]
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    [TR]
    [TD]9[/TD]
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    [TD]41[/TD]
    [TD]490[/TD]
    [TD]73[/TD]
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    [TD]105[/TD]
    [TD]84[/TD]
    [TD]137[/TD]
    [TD]37.5[/TD]
    [TD]169[/TD]
    [TD]23.8[/TD]
    [TD]201[/TD]
    [TD]11[/TD]
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    [TR]
    [TD]10[/TD]
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    [TD]42[/TD]
    [TD]480[/TD]
    [TD]74[/TD]
    [TD]220[/TD]
    [TD]106[/TD]
    [TD]82[/TD]
    [TD]138[/TD]
    [TD]37[/TD]
    [TD]170[/TD]
    [TD]23.4[/TD]
    [TD]202[/TD]
    [TD]10.6[/TD]
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    [TD]1,250[/TD]
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    [TD]75[/TD]
    [TD]215[/TD]
    [TD]107[/TD]
    [TD]80[/TD]
    [TD]139[/TD]
    [TD]36.5[/TD]
    [TD]171[/TD]
    [TD]23[/TD]
    [TD]203[/TD]
    [TD]10.2[/TD]
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    [TD]1,200[/TD]
    [TD]44[/TD]
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    [TD]76[/TD]
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    [TD]108[/TD]
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    [TD]36[/TD]
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    [TD]204[/TD]
    [TD]9.8[/TD]
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    [TD]1,150[/TD]
    [TD]45[/TD]
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    [TD]205[/TD]
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    [TD]76[/TD]
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    [TD]35.5[/TD]
    [TD]173[/TD]
    [TD]22.2[/TD]
    [TD]205[/TD]
    [TD]9.4[/TD]
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    [TD]1,100[/TD]
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    [TD]110[/TD]
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    [TD]35[/TD]
    [TD]174[/TD]
    [TD]21.8[/TD]
    [TD]206[/TD]
    [TD]9[/TD]
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    [TD]1,050[/TD]
    [TD]47[/TD]
    [TD]430[/TD]
    [TD]79[/TD]
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    [TD]111[/TD]
    [TD]72[/TD]
    [TD]143[/TD]
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    [TD]175[/TD]
    [TD]21.4[/TD]
    [TD]207[/TD]
    [TD]8.6[/TD]
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    [TD]16[/TD]
    [TD]1,000[/TD]
    [TD]48[/TD]
    [TD]420[/TD]
    [TD]80[/TD]
    [TD]190[/TD]
    [TD]112[/TD]
    [TD]70[/TD]
    [TD]144[/TD]
    [TD]34[/TD]
    [TD]176[/TD]
    [TD]21[/TD]
    [TD]208[/TD]
    [TD]8.2[/TD]
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    [TR]
    [TD]17[/TD]
    [TD]950[/TD]
    [TD]49[/TD]
    [TD]410[/TD]
    [TD]81[/TD]
    [TD]185[/TD]
    [TD]113[/TD]
    [TD]68[/TD]
    [TD]145[/TD]
    [TD]33.5[/TD]
    [TD]177[/TD]
    [TD]20.6[/TD]
    [TD]209[/TD]
    [TD]7.8[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]18[/TD]
    [TD]900[/TD]
    [TD]50[/TD]
    [TD]400[/TD]
    [TD]82[/TD]
    [TD]180[/TD]
    [TD]114[/TD]
    [TD]66[/TD]
    [TD]146[/TD]
    [TD]33[/TD]
    [TD]178[/TD]
    [TD]20.2[/TD]
    [TD]210[/TD]
    [TD]7.4[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]19[/TD]
    [TD]875[/TD]
    [TD]51[/TD]
    [TD]390[/TD]
    [TD]83[/TD]
    [TD]175[/TD]
    [TD]115[/TD]
    [TD]64[/TD]
    [TD]147[/TD]
    [TD]32.6[/TD]
    [TD]179[/TD]
    [TD]19.8[/TD]
    [TD]211[/TD]
    [TD]7[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]20[/TD]
    [TD]850[/TD]
    [TD]52[/TD]
    [TD]380[/TD]
    [TD]84[/TD]
    [TD]170[/TD]
    [TD]116[/TD]
    [TD]62[/TD]
    [TD]148[/TD]
    [TD]32.2[/TD]
    [TD]180[/TD]
    [TD]19.4[/TD]
    [TD]212[/TD]
    [TD]6.6[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]21[/TD]
    [TD]800[/TD]
    [TD]53[/TD]
    [TD]370[/TD]
    [TD]85[/TD]
    [TD]165[/TD]
    [TD]117[/TD]
    [TD]60[/TD]
    [TD]149[/TD]
    [TD]31.8[/TD]
    [TD]181[/TD]
    [TD]19[/TD]
    [TD]213[/TD]
    [TD]6.2[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]22[/TD]
    [TD]780[/TD]
    [TD]54[/TD]
    [TD]360[/TD]
    [TD]86[/TD]
    [TD]160[/TD]
    [TD]118[/TD]
    [TD]58[/TD]
    [TD]150[/TD]
    [TD]31.4[/TD]
    [TD]182[/TD]
    [TD]18.6[/TD]
    [TD]214[/TD]
    [TD]5.8[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]23[/TD]
    [TD]760[/TD]
    [TD]55[/TD]
    [TD]350[/TD]
    [TD]87[/TD]
    [TD]155[/TD]
    [TD]119[/TD]
    [TD]56[/TD]
    [TD]151[/TD]
    [TD]31[/TD]
    [TD]183[/TD]
    [TD]18.2[/TD]
    [TD]215[/TD]
    [TD]5.4[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]24[/TD]
    [TD]740[/TD]
    [TD]56[/TD]
    [TD]340[/TD]
    [TD]88[/TD]
    [TD]150[/TD]
    [TD]120[/TD]
    [TD]54[/TD]
    [TD]152[/TD]
    [TD]30.6[/TD]
    [TD]184[/TD]
    [TD]17.8[/TD]
    [TD]216[/TD]
    [TD]5[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]25[/TD]
    [TD]720[/TD]
    [TD]57[/TD]
    [TD]330[/TD]
    [TD]89[/TD]
    [TD]145[/TD]
    [TD]121[/TD]
    [TD]52[/TD]
    [TD]153[/TD]
    [TD]30.2[/TD]
    [TD]185[/TD]
    [TD]17.4[/TD]
    [TD]217[/TD]
    [TD]4.6[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]26[/TD]
    [TD]700[/TD]
    [TD]58[/TD]
    [TD]320[/TD]
    [TD]90[/TD]
    [TD]140[/TD]
    [TD]122[/TD]
    [TD]50[/TD]
    [TD]154[/TD]
    [TD]29.8[/TD]
    [TD]186[/TD]
    [TD]17[/TD]
    [TD]218[/TD]
    [TD]4.2[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]27[/TD]
    [TD]680[/TD]
    [TD]59[/TD]
    [TD]310[/TD]
    [TD]91[/TD]
    [TD]136[/TD]
    [TD]123[/TD]
    [TD]49[/TD]
    [TD]155[/TD]
    [TD]29.4[/TD]
    [TD]187[/TD]
    [TD]16.6[/TD]
    [TD]219[/TD]
    [TD]3.8[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]28[/TD]
    [TD]660[/TD]
    [TD]60[/TD]
    [TD]300[/TD]
    [TD]92[/TD]
    [TD]132[/TD]
    [TD]124[/TD]
    [TD]48[/TD]
    [TD]156[/TD]
    [TD]29[/TD]
    [TD]188[/TD]
    [TD]16.2[/TD]
    [TD]220[/TD]
    [TD]3.4[/TD]
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    [TR]
    [TD]29[/TD]
    [TD]640[/TD]
    [TD]61[/TD]
    [TD]292[/TD]
    [TD]93[/TD]
    [TD]128[/TD]
    [TD]125[/TD]
    [TD]47[/TD]
    [TD]157[/TD]
    [TD]28.6[/TD]
    [TD]189[/TD]
    [TD]15.8[/TD]
    [TD]221[/TD]
    [TD]3[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]30[/TD]
    [TD]620[/TD]
    [TD]62[/TD]
    [TD]284[/TD]
    [TD]94[/TD]
    [TD]124[/TD]
    [TD]126[/TD]
    [TD]46[/TD]
    [TD]158[/TD]
    [TD]28.2[/TD]
    [TD]190[/TD]
    [TD]15.4[/TD]
    [TD]222[/TD]
    [TD]2.6[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]31[/TD]
    [TD]600[/TD]
    [TD]63[/TD]
    [TD]276[/TD]
    [TD]95[/TD]
    [TD]120[/TD]
    [TD]127[/TD]
    [TD]45[/TD]
    [TD]159[/TD]
    [TD]27.8[/TD]
    [TD]191[/TD]
    [TD]15[/TD]
    [TD]223[/TD]
    [TD]2.3[/TD]
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    [TR]
    [TD]32[/TD]
    [TD]590[/TD]
    [TD]64[/TD]
    [TD]270[/TD]
    [TD]96[/TD]
    [TD]116[/TD]
    [TD]128[/TD]
    [TD]44[/TD]
    [TD]160[/TD]
    [TD]27.4[/TD]
    [TD]192[/TD]
    [TD]14.6[/TD]
    [TD]224[/TD]
    [TD]2[/TD]
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  7. scruffy

    scruffy Well-Known Member

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    Thanks ... let's trade down. :thumbsup:
     
  8. darcrav

    darcrav Well-Known Member

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    what about your request for what school they play for?
    Sandy Patterson? him? her? where?
     
  9. scruffy

    scruffy Well-Known Member

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    Him & Her, either at or soon to be at movies ... any good??
     
  10. darcrav

    darcrav Well-Known Member

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    it really doesn't matter what school they are at
    I only pay attention to UNC ,Appalachian State, and another that has no football team unless you count soccer.one hell of a marine biology tho
     
  11. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    not a duke fan?:cool:
     
  12. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    yea TTF, i liked him last year and there was talk of him coming out. he's kind of an under the radar first rounder, if thats possible. good bloodlines too.:cool:
     
  13. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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    Yeah. Here's a gif of that 4th down grab yesterday.

    [​IMG]
     
  14. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    check out vandy's LT too. he's moving up the boards. i'd definately like to grab this kid at some point. i could live with jordan matthews,scherff,fiedorowizc and wesley johnson in this draft. 2 iowa and 2 vandy guys. LOL get out of town. right? a new LT a new RT, a new big receiver, a new big 2nd TE added to our qb and new RB? sign me up.

    on a side note, can you put up the catch l'damian washington had in the mizzou game last night? he'd be a keeper too. :cool:
     
  15. GB_Steel

    GB_Steel Well-Known Member

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    Some guys that stood out on championship weekend:

    Robinson, LT Auburn. He's only a sophomore, but if we want to fix our LT spot he's it. Any we can call dibs on him this year? Lol!

    The Stanford LG. Wow, he was electric in the run game, sealing off his guy on nearly every play.

    The dimuntive Mizzou RB, Jones, I think. Could be a nice returner and change-of-pace guy.

    Joyner, the FSU DB. Make a nice leaping pick and appears to live up to the high billing.

    Someone that I was not impressed with was Erving, the FSU LT. He appeared to be pretty slow and unathletic. I would not draft him in the first, based on the game vs Duke.
     
  16. 58stillers

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    How about Darqueze Dennard, CB Michigan State? Not sure what he's done all season, but he looked to have a pretty good championship game.
     
  17. mac daddyo

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    erving will be the 2nd guy taken at tackle. he's since gone out of our reach. he is pretty good GB. hurst probably has the most experience of any of them as a pure LT. 4 yr. starter at that spot.

    yankee from Stanford is pretty interesting. I've read he could play LT.

    travis swansen is a really good C/G. from ark. too. he could also play guard. great feet.

    Wesley Johnson from vandy looks good to me too. he's a LT but has played at one time every position on the line. only about 295 though, but can move.

    lot's of good options that would help an O-line. depends who we keep or want to part with after the season. I'd be happy I think with hurst and Johnson. one early one later. hurst could go round 2 or maybe even scherff from iowa.:cool:
     
  18. freakfontana

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    what do you think about scherr at left tackle .. anyway if we pick in the top ten i would consider trade down we have a lot of needs and this draft is pretty deep
     
  19. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    yea freak this whole draft should be predicated on trading down in the first. I like scherff. I like hurst. I still want van noy and Jordan Matthews and fuller. LOL play it right and we could get a good combo of some of these guys.:cool:
     
  20. scruffy

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    After yeasterday's loss, any idea where we stand in the draft order; have we broke into the top 10 yet??
     
  21. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    I don't know sruffy. if Jacksonville and TB keep winning they will pass us.:facepalm::cool:
     
  22. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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    As of yesterday we're at number 10, but I wouldn't put much stock in that. It's pretty fluid in that range the last few weeks.
     
  23. steelers5859

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    I say we draft a left tackle. Maybe if the receiver from Clemson or the one from FSU is on the board but left tackle must be high priority.
     
  24. SteelCity_NB

    SteelCity_NB Staff Member Mod Team

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    I am now torn on what position to target in Round 1. It seems every week, a new hole is found in the lineup.

    I was originally focused on OT with guys like Matthews, Lewan, Kouandjio & Erving.

    Of course there is the impressive WR group consisting of Watkins, Lee, Evans & Matthews.

    Then again I LOVE Haha Clinton-Dix.

    But I LOVE Ryan Shazier EVEN MORE.

    Good crop of LBs too with Mosley, Barr Beasley and Mack.
     
  25. steel1031

    steel1031 Well-Known Member

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    I think we can get 3 starters right away with lamarcus joyner s/cb fsu devin street wr pitt ed Stinson de bama. should be the first three picks. I think those are also the three positions we need to address. let clark, hood go
     

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