Gap Between Super Bowl Winning QBs

This exact statement is why they are saying that you are moving the goal posts. You were talking about Foles having a "superstar" performance in a game but even you have to realize that Foles himself is not considered a superstar quarterback. That is what these guys are talking about. Quarterbacks who you can count on to perform at a high level every single game for multiple years are the ones considered superstars. The point is that you don't always have to have one in order to win a Super Bowl. Again, even you have to see that Foles isn't that guy. Flacco is not a superstar QB either. Now, Trent Dilfer? That cat was the super duperest of all stars.

 

Good qb
Good defense
Good coaching


The standard is the standard =looking like a competitive team while really not being competitive.

dont settle for the standard

 

That was a good defense too.
But as I said, it's subjective. They could have been in a really good spot though.

 

Birds of a feather

Similar to when the usual suspects agree with SDOT

Note: It appears SDOT got booted

 

I'm bringing up two games as examples, not all of the evidence. The 49ers also got to that Super Bowl with a mediocre quarterback. The Rams did the same the year they lost, 13-3. I'm sorry that implication was too much for you to keep up.

Flacco had one great run in the playoffs, throwing 11 touchdowns with no interceptions in 2012. The rest of the time, he was no better than decent. Again, you either don't understand what happened or you are misrepresenting it.

Now you're going to play the shoulda, woulda, coulda game to justify your foolishness? Oy.

 

He was a great playoff qb in 2012. Besides that he averaged less than 200 yds per game, and threw 15 touchdowns to 11 interceptions.
He was surrounded by a great team. He was 9-6 in the playoffs because he had a great defense and one year when he played like a elite qb.

 

I hate the woulda, shoulda, coulda game. Just saying.

 

That's the real disconnect in these quarterback discussions. Half of the board thinks they should have refused to spend a first-round draft pick on a quarterback who doesn't have the physical abilities of Mahomes or Josh Allen. They don't realize that physical ability is just a part of what can set a quarterback apart.

 

This × 100.

 

He's busy helping Omar

 

No I never said they were superstar qbs career wise put they played like superstars in the playoffs those respective yrs. The argument was you can get average qb play. They were average qbs who PLAYED like superstars in those moments. They didn't get pedestrian qb play like for example the 2000 ravens did and relied solely upon defense and run game in the playoffs. That's not what happened with foles or Flacco. If you're betting longterm on having someone have a magic carpet ride like foles did the odds are against you. The odds are more In Favor of having a superstar qb.

 

The year before he had outplayed brady in the afc championship and lost because Lee Evans dropped a td and Cundiff missed the fg. His bad numbers were his first 2 years. The next couple years he was 3-1 and 4-1 td int ratio. He also played great that yr in 2014 they should have beaten ne in the divisional round when Edelman threw that td pass.

 

Goff was not Mediocre and currently is a top ten qb. That year they went to the sb he was far from Mediocre. He played mediocre in the sb but not before.

How is throwing for more yards, more tds ,and less ints vs tom brady in the 2011 afc championship decent?

2014 vs tom 292 with 4 tds. Decent? Put up 31 on that pats defense that was stacked.

Stop it.

And is getting to the sb the same thing as winning the sb?

 

No because if you get a superstar game from someone to help you win the sb that's not winning a sb by getting average qb play. That means in that particular game the defense and run game carries you to victory. That's not what happened with Flacco and foles. That's what happened to Trent dilfer though.

 

Not meaning to be a d..., but the Eagles lost to the Chiefs. Not Hurts to Mahomes.

 

No, your argument had been that a team has to have a superstar quarterback to have a shot at winning the Super Bowl. Now you are changing your argument to try to account for guys like Foles and Flacco. Hell, include Eli Manning in there, too. Take away two magical playoff rides and he's an average quarterback.

 

That Goff became a quality quarterback two years after the Rams gave up on him does not change the fact that he was far from a superstar quarterback when he played for them in the Super Bowl.

Regarding Flacco, you still seem to fail to understand that this is not a game of one-on-one among quarterbacks.

 

Exactly. You can easily argue that Hurts did more in that Super Bowl than Mahomes. That game was decided by the offensive lines more than anything. The Chiefs were able to protect Mahomes against the league's best pass rush, but they were able to get decent pressure on Hurts.

 

The yr they went to the sb he had made back to back pro bowls, and thay respective yr he threw for 32 tds and 4688 yards. At that point in time he was firmly a top ten qb and arguably top 5 when they went to the sb.

And you fail to realize that when you play a qb the caliber of a brady, mahomes, etc.. you know more often then not your team is not going to completely shut them down. Going into that game your expecting to have to put up points to beat them. That's why it's looked upon when playing those type of guys as "outplaying' them in a sense of qb vs qb because you know what they bring to the table and how you have to attempt to overcome that.

Prime example. The superbowl with the Seahawks and Pats. The Seahawks blew a 10 pt lead in the 4th qtr when they had what many would argue a historically great defense. Do you see that being portrayed as why they loss or does alot of people point to the Malcolm butler play? Why? Because that was tom brady. You aren't faulting a defense for not completely shutting him down.

 

The Seahawks lost that game because their coach got cute rather than giving Lynch the ball on the one-yard line. It wasn't the defense. It wasn't Brady. It was a poor decision that led to a throw into traffic. In no way does that support your argument.

Your second paragraph is nonsense meant to justify your inability to accept that football games aren't one-on-one quarterback battles.

Now you want to claim Joe Flacco was elite to justify your nonsense? You're funny.

This all goes back to your false premise that the Steelers can't be Super Bowl contenders with Pickett. If you don't think Pickett can be at least as good, if not better, than Flacco, you haven't been paying attention. Flacco was a big arm that was propped up by some great teams. He also failed some great teams.

 

Where's Pickett

 

I like what I have seen so far with KP8. He needs a few better weapons at WR, though.

 

Your guy Lamar won't be winning a Super Bowl anytime soon .