Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by Joel Ritenour, Nov 20, 2023.
I’m waiting for someone to say that QB pressures aren’t sacks. Do you seriously think these other QBs aren’t being pressured?
Be prepared for a big fat pile of whataboutisms
At this point....in all seriousness...what are our options? There is no where to go.
No whataboutisms, but our bubble and screen concepts for example, to get ahead of the markers and offset some of the pressures on our QB, are poorly conceived. I see a fair bit of NFL games, and alot of our play calling and execution is probably the worst in the league. Majority of the blame, imo, is on the OC. Looks like a cluster**** whenever we call those aforementioned plays
this season was a wash when it began. we were a long shot at MAYBE getting a 7 seed. For what?
Half the teams in the league gets into the playoffs.
we are in the miserable middle of the league
and will be there for while, as long as Tomlin is at the helm................
KFP needs at least 20 secs to go thro his progressions, give the kid a break.
Sacks are not always a direct result of how much time a QB has in the pocket. The amount of time to throw and the circumstances of the throws made matter. For example, Sam Howell averages the exact same amount of time until he throws or feels pressure as Kenny Pickett, but Howell has been sacked 51 times, while Pickett has been sacked 21 times.
This chart you posted doesn't show the average time the quarterbacks have in the pocket.
It doesn't show hurries and knockdowns.
This chart also doesn't show how often each quarterback is blitzed. If two QBs average the same time to be pressured or throw the ball, the quarterback that is blitzed less than the other quarterback has worse protection because blitzes add quicker pressure. Also, the quarterback that faces less blitzing and gets the same time to throw faces more coverage because he is able to be pressured with only four rushers, so the defenses have more men in coverage more often.
Here are some more advanced stats to combine with the information that your chart does.
That guy that I mentioned just showed up. It just a matter of time.
JFC Other teams get 1st downs!!! Of course the qb will have more sacks.
Dude....I've been preaching this all year, but it's turned on deaf ears....also I'm like are You people not watching other games, or the Qb facing us most of the time. LoL. So even games He facing more pressure, and some less...All in all He's facing about average pressure most Qbs are a game.
The line hasn't been as bad as people make it out to be, at least after the first couple weeks. It's been formidable since Jones took over. Ben played with worse some years. I'd guess a quarter or so of Pickett's sacks came as a result of him backing up and spinning into the pressure, rather than stepping up into the pocket. He had a glaring one on Sunday, where if he would have just stepped up, he could have gotten rid of the ball and possibly thrown a completion instead of taking a sack.
At least have the guts to tell everyone who you're talking about.
And? His points are valid and aren't aimed at excusing Pickett's performance, they just add more detail to the overall picture.
So far this season Pickett is bailing from clean pockets, at times staring down receivers, at others missing open ones, is avoiding middle of the field routes, etc. Adding depth to what actually constitutes pocket pressure to a QB isn't going to excuse any of that. The line's pass protection has been extremely erratic, but Kenny has made his share of mistakes when provided adequate time. I don't think anyone here is arguing against that.
I guess you didn’t bother bother to read my first post.
Pickett is an easy target, he just is,
Canada gets to sit behind the scenes and turning the wheels of this train wreck but Kenny is the one sitting at the helm of this ****show under the bright lights
I have defended KFP being that he is young and still learning the speed of the NFL. I am starting to change my tune but not entirely. The line is still bad, even though the sack numbers are low, that doesnt account for how many throw aways he does to avoid the sack. Also his spin move needs to be coached out of him, that move may have worked in college but it does not work in the NFL. ( it may work once in a while, but even a broke clock is right twice a day) The most glaring thing I have noticed recently is how long he takes to throw the ball once he has decided to throw it to whomever he has deemed open. He has a long windup and in the NFL that spells disaster as it allows for defenders with "make up speed" to recover. I would like to see the coaches work on his arm position pre throw and his footwork to be ready to step an throw on time. The most important piece to fix though is the man directly in front of him, the center, the center cant be pushed back into his face giving Kenny that feeling of impending doom or pressure. The pocket starts up front!
The NFL is a fast-changing landscape.
Defenses are smart.
Pressures are almost as a good as a sack.
We don't need plays like the first offensive snap of the game a defender gets to the QB at the same time the ball does.
But Pickett has time.
We're not doing things like KC does to cause the defense to think or hesitate.
It's a mess right now and there is plenty of blame to go around.
Pressure is no excuse for them.
I would bench Pickett and put in Mason or Mitch. How much worse can it get? Our offence is historically bad at this point
If nothing else, it would be interesting to see this disaster of a scheme being run by someone else. It's still going to look bad though so I'm not sure we learn anything other than it all sucks.
breaking NEW boundaries!!!
mason cole has a lot to do with can'tys eyes. the snaps are getting back there all over the place. his focus has to be watching where the snap will go instead of looking where he should be. it's a small thing but small things add up to big things.
once can'ty gets dropped back he then starts to look downfield. there is a hesitation at that point for some reason. does he know where his receivers are supposed to be going on each play? seems like he doesn't until they make their breaks and by that point he is on to the next receiver. it's after the defender has time to adjust instead of throwing his receiver open. at that point he is all about the rush. something is wrong in the whole progression from snap til sack.
I guess now we will see if Canada was the problem. I have my doubts.....
Your first post is a chart of quarterback stats.
Your second post says something that doesn't apply to my post. I actually gave a link of quarterback stats that shows sacks, hurries, and knockdowns that adds data to what you posted.
I don't get the attitude.
It's never all on one person/thing but the problems started with Canada. The OL and QB still need to play better. No one disputes that.