First shots fired at Canada

That's the thing. We haven't even seen Canada's offence yet. Between a horrific Oline and Ben, we didn't get a glimpse of what Canada wants to do. That doesn't mean he'll be successful next year, but at least he'll get to put his best foot forward and we can judge him on that. I have a hard time judging him because Ben completely handcuffed him. They were like oil and water.

What I wonder is if Canada fails and is replaced, at what point does Tomlin start feeling the heat? That will be 4 different OC's now. How many more need to get fired before it starts to fall on the head coach?

 

I'm willing to go with Matt Canada for another season. The reason being is if we get a new OC it can be detrimental to our current QB situation. While I don't believe Canada has proven himself an offensive guru by NFL standards, I wonder how much of it had to do with Ben's arm strength and lack of OL protection. Hopefully, we can sure up the OL before we look for our next QB. We could be surprised by Rudolph or Haskins.

 

One of the reasons though that you have an experienced veteran QB is so that when you run motion say Claypool going from right to left pre snap and his man mirrors that, you then realize it's man coverage and check to Muth chipping the LB or DE slide out to the seam or out route towards the sideline and make the defense pay. They just weren't doing that. The one yard passes were troubling but the lack of adjustments from Ben was just as troubling and undoubtedly people will claim he didn't have freedom to check the play which is total crap.

 

Canada's type of offense needs a mobile QB, Ben prevented a lot of Canada's plays. His hands were tied with the lamp post Ben standing back there. The young Ben would've been fine , not the old and beat up Ben .

Alot if Canada's plays has the QB rolling out, Ben couldn’t do that anymore.

 

Guess You didn't watch. The Ravens game alone had 5 rollout in the 1st half.
Rollout is designed (basic definition) for
1. To get a Qb away from an area where the pass rush is being a problem.
2. Because a Qb can't read a whole field ,and has 2 have it cut in half for them.
3. Give the threat of a Qb running the ball.
Of course other things have been built off of it since, but basically what it's for.
Not something You really use on a Qb that can read the whole field even if they are fast. They can role out on their own if they want 2.
It's a system for college Qbs, new Qbs or lesser Qbs.
Also because of the Difference in hash marks from the College - the NFL makes it a big difference.
Maybe someone should tell Canada this.

 

Maybe the HOF QB should have the offense built around him by the coordinator with college experience and not the other way around?

What if Ben isn't as bad as everyone thinks? Last year Ben was right on his career averages for yards, rating, TD % with lower than normal INT%.

I told everyone who would listen that the problem wasn't Fichnter last year, it didn't make sense to fire him, and that Canada would be worse so maybe that's just my confirmation bias.

 

Except that Fichtner was a problem last year as was Ben. Neither was the sole problem but both were part of it. Ben had become statuesque and favored shotgun because it involved less jarring to his knees. His accuracy had begun to suffer. You could tell that after he took shots to the lower body in the Dallas game that he was in pain. You could see when he got numbed up the Ben from5 years ago.

 

Out of 17 seasons Ben had his 4th best offensive output last year. I think 26 points per game is pretty good and would have taken that this year. I just differ from most other people on that.

 

Wow i didn't realize that Ben having the top stats for his career was the team goal so yeah everyone else is the problem.

 

Points per game is a team goal. 416 points was only 20 fewer than Ben's best or just over 1 point per game.

I thought in that context Fichtner did well with a past prime Ben.

 

How'd the season end again?

 

Ben's QBR over the past 5 years

2017 - 5th
2018- 4th
2019 - missed season
2020 - 22nd
2021- 25th

Stop it with Ben's passing numbers as most of that came from a 2 min huddle offense and/or when the opposing D loosened up because they were comfortably ahead. The Offense could not score in the 1st quarter of games with future hall of fame QB #7, he was/is done. Time to move on and judge Canada's offense with a QB who can run his style offense.

Do you think Ben in his last year was going to be the dog to learn new tricks? If you were Canada would you pull out your offense last year with an older line where the guards are roo slow or hurt to pull (a staple in his offense)? Would you pull out tricks this year knowing Ben A/ doesn't like pre snap motion B/ does not favor RPO C/ does not run play-action (again all staples of Canada's offense.
I'm not sure if his offense will work at the pro level but I would least like to see in a game with personnel that can run it.

 

I agree, but really the O line is always the key. Adjustments are hard to make when the D line is on your face right after the ball is snapped. Play action is impossible when your Rb is constantly getting at the line..or 2 yards behind the line. I'm not at all confident Canada's O can be productive in the NFL, but no O coordinator is going to have any success if we do not get their fixed, and this is a 3 year problem we have had.

 

Defensive collapse.

 

team collapse, but one of the best statistical season for Ben right and no losing season for Coach Tomlin thats something to hang one's hat on.

 

It wasn't just the defense that collapsed. The offense was a mess down the stretch. They had one good half against the Colts, but otherwise, they struggled.

 

Mahomes went 30/39 for 404 yards 5 TD 1 INT 138.2 rating.

Sorry. You're not winning any games with the type of defensive collapse.

I haven't seen a defensive collapse like that since Leslie Frazier's Bills 1/23/2022.

Hmm. It's almost like the Tampa 2 is outdated and being shredded by top QBs. Dungy looking at his pupils giving up 782 yards 8 TD 1 INT in back to back games like...

 

My post was a reference to 2020, not 2021. Please try harder to keep up.

That said, if you don't understand that offensive ineptitude can contribute to a defensive collapse, perhaps you need a little remedial instruction about the game.

 

They all end in defensive collapse now. Hard to keep them straight.

 

I see you are just going to deflect from the concept of offensive ineptitude contributing to a defensive collapse. Figures.

 

That primarily relates to field position. Chiefs got good field position off Harvin out kicking his coverage and the Harris fumble. The defense held the Chiefs there to 7 points. The rest were long drives.

Steelers allowed 6 long TD drives in a row. Somehow that is the offense's fault?!

Steelers ran more plays and were equal to KC in TOP. Fatigue? If only the Chiefs were human and were affected by fatigue.

 

Build an offense for a QB who was going to retire within 2 seasons? ( ended up being 1 more) No! They should've moved on this year. New OC, New O-line coach, pretty much new O-line, same old QB who takes 5 mins to stand back up because he's so beat up.