Firings

Obviously… but I meant what would have happened to Tomlin.

 

Harbaugh should call Eagles.

 

Some guys are just coordinators and not cut out to be a HC that's McDaniel.

 

So, does Tomlin bear any of the responsibility for the QB situation on this team since Ben left? Or even before he was gone? To assume that they draft ANYONE without Tomlin's endorsement is silly. He runs the show, clearly. The Packers had Rodgers waiting in the wings. What was Tomlin's plan? Rudolph? That was the basket he chose to put all their eggs in? And they got a good look at him before Ben was gone.

They had 2020 and 2021 to make a move at QB. He brings in a reclamation project in Haskins that nobody else wanted, then didn't even give him a helmet. Trubisky? Please. And, who do we blame Pickett on? The guy had back up written all over him. He excels at nothing. That was a total panic move. They could've made a move last year for one of the SIX Qb's that went in the 1st, but they didn't. His solution? Wilson and Fields. Unreal. A has-been and a never-will-be that nobody else wanted.This year they could've signed Darnold, Daniel Jones, or even Mac Jones, who all still have possible promising futures. He could've pushed to draft Dart or Shough this year. He didn't. They instead sign a one year 50 year old who has no future, and the three time retread Rudolph as his back up.

Funny how, apparently, Tomlin has no responsibility for this EPIC mismanagement.

 

Again....not everything has to be about Tomlin.

I was pushing back against the unquestioned assumption that Oconnell is really good coach. He is most likely a pretty good play-caller. The rest of it? Might still be debatable.

 

I don't disagree with you for O'Connell..I still think he is a good coach with a very good offensive mind and many team would be interested if he was available

But he is of course not perfect...But if Tomlin leave i prefer to go with a offensive coach

For Tomlin vs O'Connell,hard to compare a 19 years head coach vs a 4 years head coach.Career wise Tomlin is ahead but right now this is a tough call

 

No. That is what you fail to understand.

We all obsessively follow the Steelers. To a degree that we likely have thoughts on what the coaches eat for breakfast.

My assumption is that we all do not follow the other NFL teams to that degree of detail.

If we did...we would start to see the cracks and faults in these other coaches that Steelers fans post as their models of coaching success.

The comment "Steelers coaches" is specifically trying to move it off of a Tomlin centered discussion and focus it on "If you dissected every detail and decision of NFL Coach X as much as you did "Steelers Coach" then you would not think as highly of NFL Coach X as you do right now."

 

Again, I have little interest in comparing Oconnell and Tomlin.

I think that Oconnell can call the heck out of a game. I think he can put together an offense pretty darn well. I also think he got a little high on his own supply and overestimated his ability to work with any and all QBs. Happens all the time. The ONE commonality among all NFL teams and coaches is their arrogant faith that they can "fix" anyone and everything football related.

What I think will be fascinating to watch play out is what Oconnell does next. He had some success and it seemed like he had some things figure out. Then teams found some counters and/or the new QB struggled. He has an entire offe-season to develop a counter-move. Will he? What will it be? That is the test.

 

You are not wrong and what is next will be the test for him

Cousins had his two best seasons under him, and Darnold was very good under him too.Maybe he's excellent with quarterbacks but struggles to evaluate them?

It's strange, but it's possible. The jury is still out on O'Connell, but I believe his potential is still very good...we'll get more answers about him in the coming years!

 

So You are not also taking into account that they have yet to do anything yet?
What has O'Connell done that Tomlin hasn't???
Now switch that question around.
Some of you think that just changing a HC fits everything. Many are the same people that also thought getting rid of Ben would somehow magically bring a new, and better Qb in. I'm still waiting. Rodgers is the closest. You don't just change things, just because. Thisvis how phone companies keep selling a new phone every year even though nothing is wrong with the one you have. LoL

 

This 100%.
People need to stop crowning so freaking fast.
Again I heard all of this about...
Kliff Kingsbury, Matt Naggy, Brian Daboll, Mike McDaniels, and many others, and now all the people that crowned them early are silent, or say they didn't say that.

 

I think I understand your point. The Ravens dismal season seems to pivot on 'the defense was bad'. But those same posters will say the Steelers rely on defense too much.
We do compare everything football related to the Steelers and specifically to Tomlin.

 

If I'm hiring a HC already in the league then I'm looking at what his record was against his division.

 

If I was the guy trying to decide which coach to hire and they were already in the NFL at the HC or coordinator level, I would also want to know what happened to that coach when you he lost his couple of best players at key positions due to injury? Did it look the same? Different? Better? Worse?

I feel like lots of these guys get hired and it all looks wonderful when the situation is perfect. But the situation rarely stays perfect. Then it all starts to fall apart on these dudes.

 

That sounds like what happened to LaFleur once Parsons got injured it was a good bet they were going to be one and done in the playoffs.

 

Apparently I have not been clear enough in my postings. I apologize for that.

We seem to be having a disagreement that I never intended.

I suspect I think coaching is far more important than you are crediting me for.

What I am trying to outline is that we (meaning all of this who post here) have incredibly detailed thoughts on each and every one of the Steelers coaches. These thoughts are based on watching the games and combing the internet for additional Steelers related information and content. I suspect that applies pretty generally around here. Maybe I am only speaking for myself...but I do not follow a single other NFL team to 1/10th the detail I do the Steelers.

Despite that, I have opinions about their coaches and players. For instance, I spent yesterday discussing how I think Sirianni is kind of an empty headset. But I can not go into a great deal of detail on him, his specific coaching record, or his football philosophy. I can on the Steelers coaches. I've watched breakdowns of what their OL coach teaches at coaching clinics -- something is wrong with me (my wife likely has thoughts...).

Point is that when you start really digging into most teams and coaches in the same granular detail we do on the team we are passionate about...you start seeing cracks and faults to a degree you do not notice when you are just watching highlights on TV in between Steelers plays.

And - to be clear - that does not mean the Steelers coaches are without fault. It does not mean that some of them are below the line. It just means that the "other coach" tends to look a great deal better when you only evaluate it from afar.

 

This is why I'm a fan of Shanahan.