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Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by Blast Furnace, Mar 16, 2024.

  1. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    So stop trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. Stop trying to make him a full read QB, give him two reads. Warner was talking about it, he said you have to do the same for Wilson because he isnt and never has been a full read QB which Peyton tried to make him into.

    Coach to players strengths.
     
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  2. Formerscribe

    Formerscribe Well-Known Member

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    If that is true, then everybody needs to give up on the idea of Fields being a long-term answer at quarterback.
     
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  3. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    improvements in each season? sort of. some stats. some got worse. still 68 turnovers. tons of sacks as well. tomlin is stuck on what he thinks he can do. potential. we shall see. :cool:
     
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  4. mikeyg

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    that is what Tomlin said - I know we call him a liar and @ times , he lies.

    Regardless, no one will be talking about Pickett in a few years.
     
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  5. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Why, Wilson won a SB playing that way.
     
  6. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    There’s a HUGE difference between how Wilson played the game mentally from Day 1 as a rookie and what we’ve seen from Fields in 3 years. Just a huge, huge difference.
     
  7. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    That’s not the point. The point is you can win without reading the whole field.
     
  8. Blast Furnace

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    Posted this further up in this thread.

    Also, he’s cut down on interceptions a lot last season.
     
  9. Formerscribe

    Formerscribe Well-Known Member

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    Other than pointing out that Tomlin did lie, that's not what I was talking about. Try harder to keep up before you criticize others.

    I wouldn't be surprised to see Pickett bounce around the league as a backup and maybe stumble into another shot at starting at some point.
     
  10. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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  11. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Just chilling

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    You can order dinner without reading the whole menu
     
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  12. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    As soon as He hits the field in the Black, and Gold I will be rooting for Him.
     
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  13. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    Not really, and Kurt Warner’s video on “pure progression” that you posted a few weeks ago provides clarity. An NFL QB MUST be able to read the whole field pre-snap to know which side of the field to read post-snap. Warner’s point was not that reading one side of the field is sufficient, it was that a QB can identify pre-snap which side of the field to read post-snap if he can identify the coverage and thus understand where there are defenders in conflict in zone (or what he didn’t mention - favorable matchups in man coverage). There are some plays called that specifically target one side of the field, but running a passing offense with only one side of the field being available on every pass play is not going to work unless the defense is very predictable.
     
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  14. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    And this Is why most Qbs of this type run as much as they do(all Qbs run, but only certain Qb have to run to play) they don't see the field, and must run....no Qb runs for 30 yards instead of throw for 30....I don't care how fast You are....You can throw a 30 yard pass way faster than You can run it, and safer.
     
  15. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    I understand that. I watched a 20 minute video breakdown of it by Warner and had the gist of it, I’m sure a QB that has been playing the position his whole life can figure it out.
     
  16. Blast Furnace

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    Here’s Warner talking about how Wilson and Fields can succeed here.
     
  17. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Just chilling

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    Always an enjoyable pastime
     
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  18. S.T.D

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    What You both are leaving out is the doubling of turnovers. Funny one of You complains about Ben for throwing 5 tds, and only having 2 turnovers in a playoff game, but thinks a guy that has had double the turnovers as tds will be good. LoL :shrug:
     
  19. S.T.D

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    Being the type of person I am.....I even enjoy it. LoL
     
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  20. S.T.D

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    My Friend....I pray You are correct, and I'm totally wrong, and that You can make post, after post, after post making fun of how wrong I am, and I will love every moment of it, but I have watched these styles of Qb play a long time, and the best I've seen it work is Cam Newton, and for one year, and that got nothing, but an appearance at the SB, and one of the worst Qb plays I have ever seen in a SB. There is a reason a Qb runs as much as they do....yes all Qbs run
    ... but not all have to live off the run....., and You can't ask a Qb that has played that way their entire lives to change that much....they just don’t have the time in the NFL. Again since He's a Steeler....I hope Im wrong.
     
  21. OB1

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    I'll take the turn overs if they come with points. Same as I did with Ben. Nothing more useless than an offense that cannot score.

    To me, it's better to try and fix a broken thing than look at it forever hoping it would fix itself - even if the fix needs another fix later. I can't stand lack of action when clearly something doesn't work.

    I applaud the Steelers for not delaying the change in QB. They delayed getting rid of Canada, Bush, fat punter, safety #34, punt muffer for faaaaarrrr toooooo looooong.
     
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  22. S.T.D

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    We are not talking about a guy who scores way more than He turns the ball over....we are talking about the opposite. 40 passing tds 30 ints, 14 rushing tds, and 38 fumbles.
     
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  23. OB1

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    He's replacing the guy who has the lowest TD % of all NFL QBs in the history of the league! Change was needed.

    You actually expected them to change and get another Ben as the #2 QB?? :roflmao:
     
  24. S.T.D

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    No, but I didn't expect them to bring in someone who was worse than KFP. Yes KFP was the lowest Td scoring, but He also was one of the lowest turnovers Qbs. In just a pure strategic part of football.....You can win more games if the Qb doesn't score....then if He turns the ball over more than He scores, and that's what You have in J. Fields. I pray R. Wilson has lots of gas left in the tank.
     
  25. OB1

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    Football strategy is a subjective topic and I'd argue over the course of a season and playoffs, the QB must produce TDs to win SBs.

    Having said that, to me the dude with the lowest TD % in NFL history (history!) must not be the QB of my favorite team. The dude is worst than any of the "average QBs" that have won SBs with great defenses - The dude is the worst in league history.
     

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