Fichtner the new OC

This was an issue as far back as Arians.

 

2 of the four that hold the greatest share among this group - who just happen to be billionaires, also - have come out to vocalize their support of the Rooneys and Tomlin. This limited partners point that keeps getting thrown out against Tomlin is well overplayed already.

 

It has been an issue for ben’s Entire career

 

I think a lot of us have thought about this since Munch declined. It should happen now. Tomlin is not what this team needs.

 

You won't get any arguments from me in regard to this point.

 

I don't really care that Haley was fired, I just hope he was fired the right reasons. Yeah, Ben couldn't get along with him, but what about other coaches, players, etc? Was it an ego problem between Ben and Haley? Was it perhaps the fault of both guys? Haley had nothing but top ten offences, including 3 of 4 years where we were top 5. True, we have a ton of talent, but we have a ton of talent on defence too and we all know how that has worked out for us over the years.

Everyone hated Haley, which is so weird, considering we were very productive under him. Yes, we had our problems, but considering we had the same problems under previous OC's, perhaps Ben needs to share some of the blame for those problems

 

The funniest part of the OC thing that I heard was MT saying that he decided to not renew Haley's contract.. Like he was going to pay him. Now is he going to cut Butlers pay because he was calling some the plays? MT becoming a real douche, or was he always?

 

I am one of the few that has stuck up for Haley, I don't care about off the field stuff. Spare me the Haley and his wife's bar fight....I guess we are forgetting how much of a saint our LB coach is and yet he kept his job even when we had a guy willing to take that position over. That is not what we are talking about, we are talking about Haley.

All I know is I blame this all on Tomlin, I have said it before and will say it again. MT should have stepped in long ago and said Ben Todd you don't have to be best friends but you do have to be co workers.

I love the fact that since Haley has been here he has taken the hits away from Ben, that right there is major. If Ben would have kept pace on BA's system we would have been looking for a QB long ago. Now as far as play calling goes, show me a OC that don't get questioned. I think just the last few weeks the OC's of many teams have been questioned. How about the Bills OC's vs the Jags where they were on the goal line and passed or how about ATL vs Philly down on the goal line where they passed? OC's are gonna get questioned and yeah they will make bad calls however every call is not designed to fail....believe it or not they are designed to work if everyone does their jobs.

Anyways Haley is now gone and it is time to move on I just hope Fitch doesn't let Ben do what he wants cause it was pretty obvious like you pointed out this offense worked.

 

Haleys main problem is he has an abrasive personality, he has always rubbed players the wrong way, I remember players and coaches grabbing Anquan Bolden to keep him from punching haley out during a game with the cardinals, there was a beat writer this week that said the cards should hire him as their new head coach, that was the joke of the week for me....

 

I just don't care about that, not one bit. I also don't care that Ben didn't like him. Ben has had problems with almost every coach we've ever had. Ben sounds like he is just as hard to get along with as Haley is. So perhaps they should have both been dragged into Tomlin's office, told to shut their mouths and not talk about each other to anyone else and for them to do their jobs.

Ben has been at his best under Haley. The problem seems to be, at least partly, that Ben wasn't allowed to do whatever he wanted. Tomlin should have corrected that situation long ago but it allowed it to get out of control. Now our offence is going to be starting all over. You don't change a coach and just pick up where you left off. There's going to be growing pains, communications issues, issues with the new playbook, etc. Look at the Falcons offence last year compared to this year.

 

They had to bring Fichtner down to the sideline from the coaches box to be a referee for ben and haley this year, you cant have that kind of relationship between a coordinator and your QB and expect them to co exist......

 

Yeah I have read and heard that o lot as a matter of fact yesterday while drive Buchette(sp) from the PPG was on sirius radio and he made a small hint that some past coaches left out team cause of him. Not sure who he was referring to but that was what he said. I just find it hard to believe as successful as this team is there is problems. jmo

 

Yes I get that it wasn't just Ben and you know I am a Ben fan but Ben was the one who really made this happen as far as Haley being gone. Now was Haley's actions to play probably but I am not there I can only comment on what is reported. Like I said I blame Tomlin cause he needed to step in, did he IDK but I have never read anything that says he did. The HC is the guy responsible for the how things run, and I am not taking Haley's side on this I don't have a side.

That is a good point about Haley being the Rooney's pick however if it was as bad as your saying it was I am pretty sure MT could have gotten rid of him especially if he went to the Rooney's with other people.

I am pretty sure Haley extended Ben's career, are we still throwing the ball deep oh yeah but he have a ton more short plays then we ever had before. There is a big difference in the BA days to now, yeah sure you have to give credit to Munch and the oline. You also have to give credit to Haley as well and Ben.

At the end of the day the on field stuff is what I can comment on and with that Haley was pretty good. As far as the off field/locker room stuff IDK but that obviously was a problem......Haley is gone let's hope we keep the pedal down and score many point next year.....

 

Maybe it is being overplayed, but to be honest with you I think there are valid reasons to be concerned about Tomlin's ability to get this team to the next level. Not that I think Rooney should fire him now, but Tomlin needs to understand that he's not immune to termination if this team continues to underperform.

 

An "abrasive personality", lol. This criticism has always amused me. Since when does a professional football coach need to be warm and fuzzy? Do you guys remember Phil Simms and other players going after Parcells? Remember Kordell Stewart blowing up on Bill Cowher? Remember when Tom Coughlin nearly had a mutiny on his hands in NY before the Giants won yet another Super Bowl? I'm telling you, a coach who can rub players the wrong way is not necessarily a bad thing! Many players will tell you that they don't like Haley but he knew how to get the best out of them. Now we go back to the buddy-buddy system on offense where we coddle and capitulate to our passive-aggressive diva of a quarterback and I already don't have a good feeling about it.

 

if everyone remembers in haleys year one when ben was calling signals that were from arians offense during the end of the season. the next offseason the offense and haley sat down and created a whole new offense together. right there is a start of a problem. two ego's butting heads. haley wanting his offense and ben not liking it. i do believe this all smooths out in RF offense. they will be prepared for situational football under RF. ben will still be allowed to throw it around and the run will still be a valuable tool to help that. will we still have the personnel here to make it work? good question. bell is the only wildcard in this equation. will he be here or not? RF at memphis did it with much lessor blue chippers and made it work. i think he has the knowledge to make it work here too. i wouldn't be suprised to see another RB drafted for the future in RF's system.

 

I agree on these points. Perhaps Tomlin tried, but it didn't work. Maybe that's why he let Haley go.

Hopefully, there will be enough continuity with the new OC such that the offense will not be hampered.

 

Is RF going to continue on as QB coach too? I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere..

 

I think one of the updates I got maybe Bleacher Report said he was.