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Discussion in 'The Bill Nunn Draft Room' started by mac daddyo, Dec 7, 2014.

  1. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    maybe eventually. I didn't see that faith from ben in them this year. they did not see top coverage this year either. Bryant started to see more double coverage deep and rightfully so, but as far as the second option on any given down that's a much harder situation for either.:cool:
     
  2. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    this all could change if butler is given the defense now. OLB may not even be a consideration. Jason worilds may not even be a thought anymore. JJ could have to transition or be traded. this whole thing could switch to OT's, G's, RB's, DE's, CB's, safeties, TE's, WR's, QB's, DT's. any which way now.:hmmm::cool:
     
  3. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    been watching a lot of eric rowe from Utah. quandre digs from texas. kevin white from tcu. senquez golsen from ole miss. doran grant ohio st.. p j Williams fla.st.

    all are pretty good corners that we could work with. rowe is a nice looking prospect. smith and golson are too but smaller. grant and digs and Williams are good size with decent speed but not burners. take a look if you get a chance.:cool:
     
  4. PWP

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    I am really liking 1 OLB now. The more I watch of Alvin Dupree from Kentucky the more intrigued I get .He has some weird tape. On 1 play he looks like the best OLB I have seen in 10 years then on the next he looks like a High School player.

    So it is clear he has the goods , can you get his head right ? If you can he could be the steal of the draft .If we are to go OLB early this guy is the best Athlete IMO.
     
  5. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    that's why I'm not sold on Dupree. seems like one of those looks like tarzan, plays like jane guys you hear about to an extent. we don't need more projects with this coaching staff. they just don't seem like the type to bring projects along very well. I'd prefer a guy that doesn't need to much molding. I still am leaning towards kikaha as of now, but I need to watch some more of these others too.

    back to corners though, I like what I'm seeing from rowe out of Utah. I wonder why he's not ranked higher. he seems to be a pretty good coverage man. he sounds like he has some intelligence too.:cool:
     
  6. PWP

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    Rowe does look good and I think he moves up boards as we approach the draft . He only has limited tape as a CB and played mostly FS . I think he goes late round #2 a lot of these draft sites just use metrics or stats to rate players then when the combine and pro day's show up they start moving up and down the boards.
     
  7. mac daddyo

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    rowe's a football player. keeps pretty tight in coverage from what I've seen and also seems to have that knack for seeing whats coming and can jump some routes well. that's the kind of playmaking ability that we need.

    I see this in Anthony harris from Virginia too. a guy that's always around the ball, whether it's coverage or run support. he can play man even as a safety. he can also play either safety spot. watch him if you get the chance.

    one more guy that is just a good football player is Jordan hicks from texas. I think he is a guy that could be a great OLB for us. he can play coverage and crash down inside to make tackles. very heady. he was never asked to just rush the passer but from his tape I've seen it would just be one more thing he can do very well. just a good football player. check these guys out.

    let me add carl davis from iowa. a d-lineman that to me fits what we need. a part time DE and a part time NT. a tough kid with some smarts that doesn't give ground in the middle and also is very active in pursuit. again a good football player. :smiley1::cool:
     
  8. TerribleTowelFlying

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    I'm on the fence about Kikaha, but boy I like his hand skills. His Judo mastery shows on the field.
     
  9. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin

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    Really liking Davis, too. High ceiling for him.
     
  10. PWP

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    Looks as though they say Dupree can jump out of the gym and can run like a RB as well. No need to waste any more time on him he will go in top 10 probably .Will he pan out who knows one less worry for the Steelers though.

    I have always liked Harris and would take him in round #2 no doubt about it.
     
  11. mac daddyo

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    the speed off the edge is there too and he will need some time to become a complete player, but his skill reminds me of the kid from wvu that plays for seattle. I liked him then and he went higher than most thought and played only as a pass rusher for the first couple of years but they have turned him into more of a complete backer. he's still not a done deal but makes plays for them. OMG, I can't think of his name to save my arse. I see kikaha has a pretty nice wingspan too. bruce irving. I had to go look. LOL:cool:
     
  12. TerribleTowelFlying

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    Work ethic is there apparently.

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  13. turtle

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    Here would be my early top choices with some notes.

    List of my "I think they'll be gone before we pick, but you never know" guys:

    Andrus Peat OT Stanford
    Shelton NT Washington
    Dante Fowler OLB Florida

    List of my "good chance they are there" guys:

    Quinten Rollins CB Miami (OH) - happy face
    Trae Waynes CB MSU - not sure
    Kevin Johnson CB Wake Forest - happy face
    TJ Clemmings OT Pitt - not sure
    Landon Collins S Alabama - not sure
    Nate Orchard OLB Utah - happy face

    with the corners I think it would be great if we double dipped with CB Swann from Georgia in middle rounds. And like most here, S Harris from Virginia in 2nd.

    Guys I'm on the fence with right now:

    Shane Ray Missou - not a big fan as I once was, but we'll see as I research more
    Vic Beasley - have not looked at yet, so don't know??
    Cam Erving OT FSU - I know he moved to C for team need, is he better on inside than at T on outside?? Not too keen on LSUs Collins or CSUs Sambrailo. Although CSU has been turning out some good OL lately.
    "Bud" Dupree OLB Kentucky - peaks and valleys with this guy, but great athlete.

    QB, RB, G, C, and WR no in the first. TE I would say you can get in the middle rounds too. Kroft from Rutgers or OSU guy.
    I think we're set at DE with Heyward and Tuitt but if the FO loves someone they may be tempted. I'd say we're good at ILB.
     
  14. Kgstegall21

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    1. Trae Waynes CB Michigan State 6'1, 190 lbs. - A physical corner with great size and athletic ability.

    2. Hau'oli Kikaha OLB Washington 6'3, 250 lbs. - Will probably be just a pass rush specialist until he gains some weight. But the potential to be an every down player for us is there.

    3. Jake Fisher OT Oregon 6'6 305 lbs. - Can play both LT and RT.

    4. Preston Smith DE/OLB Mississippi State 6'4, 270 lbs. - Moves really well for his size. Has the potential to turn into a Pernell McPhee-like player for us.

    5. Chris Hackett FS TCU 6'2, 195 lbs. - A great coverage safety with pretty good run support.

    6. Henry Anderson DE Stanford 6'6 285. - A solid player to eventually put in our DE rotation.

    7. Byron Jones CB 6'1, 196 lbs. - Drops in the draft because of injury. Has potential to be a good CB.
     
  15. PWP

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    Nice draft I like the #1 pick a lot . I am afraid he is going to be gone before we pick .
     
  16. GB_Steel

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    Kikaha really impresses me. One thing that stands out in his (and Shelton's!) tape is that he always finishes around the ball. It would not be a wasted pick if we took him at #22. And I wouldn't be surprised if, by the time this whole process is over with, we have to trade UP to get him.

    And the nugget that TTF shared about his work ethic is icing on the cake.
     
  17. freakfontana

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    kilahaka if cleared by doctors will be taken before our second round pick .
     
  18. Kgstegall21

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    Everybody thought the same about Stephon Tuitt last year, but we got lucky and he fell to us in the 2nd Rd. Things like this happen all of the time in the draft. Nobody really has a clue about what is really going through the minds of these GMs.
     
  19. freakfontana

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    we are drafting 7 spot later than last year
     
  20. Kgstegall21

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    That is true, but that wasn't my point. I'm saying that even if he is cleared by doctors there will be some GMs that will still question his durability. Will it be enough for him to slide to us in the 2nd rd? We'll just have to wait and see. Crazier things have happened.
     
  21. turtle

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    I agree he has looked good. So I was disappointed when I came across this tidbit on walterfootball.

    One player who has had a mixed Senior Bowl is Iowa defensive tackle Carl Davis. He has displayed a nice skill set with strength, size, and a burst. However, Davis has flunked the team interviews. He has said he didn't work hard in practice at Iowa because he was going against young scout team linemen and he didn't want to risk injury against some overzealous underclassmen. He told teams that he should only play about half the snaps in a game in order to be effective. Teams felt he came across as very arrogant and lazy. Davis is going to need to turn that around before his Combine and pre-draft visit interviews.

    If true, that won't help his cause any. He could have been a nice mid round pickup to get some depth.

    I have not seen if the Steelers have met with anyone at the senior bowl practices.
     
  22. Steel_Elvis

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    Probably, but at this time 2 years ago Jarvis Jones was considered a top 3 pick, and 3 years ago DeCastro entered draft day as a lock for the top 15-20. Lot's of things up in the air right now on draft positioning.
     
  23. Steel_Elvis

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    Funny about the interview part. The thing is - how many players feel that way, but tell teams what they want to hear? There are certainly plenty of high round draft busts out there who failed to live up their draft status due to lack of effort. Maybe he should get some credit for being honest. Draft him in the 5th or 6th round knowing full well that he aspires to be a rotational player, and not an every down starter. Let him prove who he is during his low priced rookie contract. Maybe the light comes on, and maybe it doesn't. Either way, the raw talent is certainly there from what I've seen.
     
  24. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    to hear davis talk, you can tell there is some intelligence there. I agree with you elvis that being honest is not something all of them do and it depends on how each teams rep takes what he says and relegates it to their process. I doubt very seriously that he makes it to the mid rounds just because of his interview. he has spoken at iowa about working hard after some losses as a way for the team to turn their season around, so the right mindset seems to be there. I think he's a solid player that will do very well as a pro. I could be totally wrong, but that is no different than any of the other players in the draft, you just don't know until they are in your camp.:cool:
     
  25. mac daddyo

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    here's another guy that I have seen do some good things off the edge. he's pretty overlooked. he has nice size, quickness and some length. trevor harris from Houston.:cool:
     

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