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Do you want Russell Wilson to return next season as the Steelers starting QB?

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by steelersrule6, Jan 5, 2025 at 1:04 AM.

  1. Trafalgar

    Trafalgar Well-Known Member

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    Well obviously you'd think a rookie would have a lot mroe to learn and adapt to than someone with a dozen years experience. So that's actually much more impressive than what Wilson did...
     
  2. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    That doesn’t address the scenario I laid out but whatever.

    The “fascination” with running QB’s is the desire to find the next Josh Allen as I feel they are the most difficult QB’s to defend and to a lesser degree a Hurts or Jackson. I understand that the odds are slim that Fields will ever be more than what he has shown to date but it would be foolish to not at least try and develop him considering the guy has pretty much learned a new offense every year hes been in the league and hasn’t exactly had good coaching.

    His first year away from the Bears and he improved in a couple areas in just 6 games. Whether you like it or not, he will probably get the opportunity next season to continue to develop. And no, switching to Wilson doesn’t mean they don’t believe in Fields, its pretty widely believed that they guaranteed the job to Wilson when he signed here. The last 4 games hasnt been anything that Fields couldnt do, I’d rather have had him playing, at least he could make plays with his legs. No one minded when he ran for 5 TD’s. Redzone offense was much better when he was QB.
     
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  3. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    I’m actually surprised Nix has played this well. Wasn’t really sold on him coming out of college. Of course he still needs to do it again next year and build off of this season but I’ve been impressed.
     
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  4. Hanratty#5

    Hanratty#5 Well-Known Member

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    Wilson's QBR this season was 51.4 and Fields was 51.3. It just makes sense to go with the guy 10 years younger that gives you the same results as the
    Mason was terrible this year throwing 9 TDs and 9 picks before being benched for the gawd awful Will Levis.
     
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  5. Busman

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    Nope. No. Keep JF and coach him up. Let him learn the system. He is younger and more mobile. Sure, he might have issues seeing defences, but he has more of a ceiling then old man moonball.
     
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  6. Formerscribe

    Formerscribe Well-Known Member

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    He improved in some areas and regressed in others. Fields seemed to be less of a threat to run and wasn't a threat opponents respected as a deep passer. Teams attacked the line and dared him to beat them deep, but Fields couldn't do it. It is easier to avoid turnovers if you don't take chances with your throws. Didn't we learn that lesson with Pickett?

    A young quarterback isn't going to develop without trust. Tomlin refused to trust Pickett and he regressed in year two. He refused to trust Fields and while he mostly avoided turnovers, he also threw only five touchdown passes in six games and the offense as a whole struggled against crappy competition.
     
  7. Formerscribe

    Formerscribe Well-Known Member

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    He has more problems than just his inability to read defenses. He is four years into his NFL career and he can't make a throw that requires touch and/or loft on the ball. How is that even possible?

    Signing him to compete with someone else as a bridge quarterback next year is one thing, but there is no reason to believe he can be even a good NFL starter based on what he has shown four seasons into his career. If you restrict him the way they restricted Pickett last year, telling him to avoid turnovers at all costs, he might at least take care of the ball and make the occasional play with his legs, but every defense is going to stack the line and dare him to beat them through the air. Most of the time, that strategy will work. Occasionally, he will light up a bad defense. That is your upside. He's Daniel Jones.
     
  8. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    He didn’t regress in others and he has shown he can sling it in the past, he had two back to back games last year with 4 TD’s or 4 in one and 3 in another, something like that. He actually improved in several metrics that I have posted this past season.

    He threw for 5 TD’s and ran for 5 more, thats what you get with Fields, the TDs all count the same no matter how you score them. Teams had a lot of trouble stopping them in the redzone because of that threat.

    The only thing I’ll agree with is Tomlin needs to open the offense up if they start him next season.
     
  9. Steelpens65

    Steelpens65 Well-Known Member

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    Fields Fields Fields…. LOL
     
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  10. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Not me man, its scribe :lolol:
     
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  11. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Just chilling

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    Who
     
  12. Robert

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    Every conversation about Coach of the year has Tomlin in it. The main reason is his 'incredible' decision to start Wilson in week 7. I just don't get it. Why is that a big decision that makes you worthy of being coach of the year?

    I also want to point out that fields was 4 and 2. Wilson was 6 and 5. Different teams played and all that, but still.....
     
  13. Formerscribe

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    That's what regression means, not doing things he has done in the past. He showed he could sling it at times in the past, but we saw very little of that this season. That is regression.

    Yes, he had two massive games last season. One was against the same Broncos a week after they gave up points to the Dolphins. The other was against the Commanders, who were 4-13 last season. In his other 11 game, he threw eight touchdowns and eight interceptions.

    Yes, the rushing touchdowns count, but you don't win in this league without a quarterback who can beat opponents throwing the ball. Fields is four years into his career and hasn't shown he can be that guy.
     
  14. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    I know what regression means you’re just not applying it correctly. You are also talking out of both sides of your mouth when you say Tomlin is having Fields play it safe like he did with Pickett and then accuse Fields of regression for not slinging it.

    He had those two big games after he blew off his coaching and said he is thinking too much and just needs to go out and play football. If they have him starting next season they need to let him sling it.

    Should have just a stopped after saying rushing TDs count.

    Anyway, baring some miraculous turn around by Wilson this weekend and they go on a run I was 100% right that Wilson wasn’t the answer and wasted this season without learning anything about how to approach next year at the position. They should have stuck with Fields.
     
  15. SGSteeler

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    Unfortunately hindsight is 20/20. Wilson will end his Steeler career 6-6 and on a 5 game losing streak. The only way you consider bringing him back is if he comes back alive in the post season and wins us a few games. Not likely.

    For a while there it looked like the right call to go with Wilson, but I started saying after the Washington and Baltimore games that the offense completely evaporates if the moonball isn't hitting. How true that ended up being. Teams are daring him to beat them underneath and to the middle of the field, and he either won't or can't do it. Should've just stuck with Justin and seen where it took us. We toyed with fate and got burned. Now we look to be in another rough situation at QB.
     
  16. Formerscribe

    Formerscribe Well-Known Member

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    Fields did try some deep throws. He just wasn't effective when he did it. You are the one trying to have it both ways. You want to claim Fields wasn't hitting any deep throws because the offense restricted him, but refuse to acknowledge that was a big part of why he stopped throwing so many interceptions.

    No, I shouldn't have stopped at saying rushing touchdowns count because you can't win in this league if your quarterback isn't enough of a threat to back the defense off. Fields wasn't. Yes, he got some of the few touchdowns the offense was scoring with his legs, but they weren't scoring enough points.

    No, they shouldn't have stuck with Fields. They were 4-2, so they had a real shot to contend, but Tomlin realized they weren't going anywhere with a quarterback who is that limited as a passer. He had to find out what Wilson could do. The results were positive. The offense was much better as the team took control of the division, so he stuck with Wilson. No, teams should not quit when they are winning, which is basically what you were and are advocating. If you want to argue that they should have gone back to Fields a week or two ago, fine. I can buy that logic. Before that, sorry, your argument made no sense.
     
  17. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    Mitch Trubisky had a 6 TD pass game with the Bears. There are limits to what a limited quantity of stats can tell you.
     
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