DL has to go

If you're going to talk about overall, then look at his entire body of work. Not just the last 3 or 4 years. Older players, hurt players, bad players (Gay) that can't execute LeBeau's schemes anymore, how is that his fault?

 

W - Q2 = Fire HOF Coach Now!

 

It's time to dust it off...



You guys kill me, sometimes.
(Just curious, how do you hold the video game controller and the bong at the same time?)

 

Gay has always sucked I blame the team for that useless tool. The past 3 or 4 years is what counts now DL D is slow and boring the exotic blitzes don't exists anymore, so DL is to blame. When you look at DL on the sidelines it looks like he's half asleep, he's looking his age. Im not going to keep DL around for what he used to be

 

I actually looked at the date to see if this was from another game

Our defense definitely adjusted in the second half! We held Calvin Johnson to nada after halftime! Having Ike one on one with him in the first half was a mistake, but they adjusted and it worked out great!

 

Right? WTH?? Gay was actually on CJ in the second half, at least some of the time, so he deserves some credit too!

 

It's clear we all get frustrated when the DBs play 10 yards off and give up short pass after short pass. Or when the zone blitz gets picked apart. But there is no denying that DL and his D stepped up in the second half and the O was able to climb back and get the W. It's silly to call for DL job halfway through the season. The guy deserves to play out the year and retire after the season.

 

the defense stepped up in the second half, but that doesnt take DL off the hook for his defense giving up 27 points and almost 400 yards in 1 quarter.

DL made no adjustments in the second half either. Troy said as much after the game. the players just played better.

my problem with DL is that he is going to live or die with his game plan even if its not working or if he doesnt have the personnel to make it work.

everyone wanted to say how great his defense was after they beat a rookie last week who just returned after he was out with an injury.

i love DL and i think he is still a very good coach, but if he cant make adjustments for todays game than he needs to go. Brady took him out behind the shed a couple weeks ago and DL couldnt do anything about it.

Stafford was killing his defense in that 2nd quarter and he had no answers for it. im still afraid to see what Manning, Brees or any other of the top teir qbs will do to this team, but for a half atleast they shut down a very good team.

hopefully it carries on to next sunday.

 

if DL can make adjustments for the rest of the season then I'm for keeping him, I'm not going to keep him around because of 1 half of a game. how quickly some of you forgot how this D has sucked for most of the season, then half a game puts you back on to the lets keep DL around bandwagon. go look at the D's stats again, the stats that really count, the int's, ff, sacks etc

 

BINGO.

 

In reference to not making any adjustments after the half. I don't care what the players say, that's BS. Every catch Johnson made was in single coverage, every one he didn't in the 2nd half was doubled.



That being said, even though it's more of an angry rant, I do think it's time for Lebeau to move on. And a lot of people here with your madden/bong comments are not adding anything to the conversation. The fact is that crowd will never move on from DL, no matter what happens on the field. The man is 76 years old. It's going to happen sometime.



I personally hope he retires. I'd hate to see things end badly with the history he's had here. I think he stays as long as he wants to. I still think that DL's scheme isn't as effective in today's passing heavy NFL. His scheme was built to stop the run, and not give up big plays. The reason being, he'd give up yards a little at a time, because the more plays you ran, the better chance you have of turning it over. That is why the DB's playing off the LOS worked, and he'd give you dink and dunk... eventually pressure from the LB's would force a turnover. It doesn't work anymore though because we're not getting pressure, and not forcing turnovers.

This isn't new either. Remember at our team's peak we still got spanked by the Patriots every year? It's because at the time coaches preached balanced attacks, and teams would run their RB's into our brick wall of a run D, and then have 3rd and long all game. Bill Belichik was the only one willing to say screw the run game, we're going to throw it 50 times. AND IT KILLED US!

Now, everyone throw the ball like that. A whopping 19 quarterbacks threw it 30+ times this week alone. 8 threw it 40 times or more. That's the new NFL that you didn't see 5-10 years ago.



So it's not the best time to brings this up, because we just won, and when we win most fans think that means everything is great... but I agree that it's time for DL to enjoy his retirement.

 

I think your spot on Steel. I said it in an earlier post, let him finish out the year and then retire. I am more then grateful for what the man has done for the Steelers. Like anything great, eventually it will fade. I think it is time we go a different direction on that side of the ball. I think what upsets people on here is when guys start calling for him to be fired after a bad game. He deserves to finish out the season.

 

Oh I absolutely agree. DL will never be fired. I'm not sure they'd ever push him out.

I wish he'd actually announce towards the end of the year that it's his last so they could have some sort of pre-game ceremony at the last home game.

 

Definitley argree with both comments. I love Dick Lebeau and was happy when he returned to our defense. Maybe he can stay on as a consultant because I think we will lose Butler if we keep Lebeau much longer. He's already past up several coordinator jobs but how long does he stick around waiting on Lebeau? Put Lebeau up in the booth after he retires and we will still have him around.

 

That's not really true. Other teams have made Brady nervous, rattled him, etc. But we were able to shut down anyone but them, and it was because he'd throw so much...

Look at the game in London this season. Matt freakin Cassel picked us apart. I'm not just talking about Brady.

 

the reason Pitts did so well against the cheats before this year was because they played more man coverage and they kept Brady off the field, this time around DL went back to playing zone, Brady makes his living eating up zone defenses, why DL didn't play more man coverage? cus he's old and doesn't remember what worked before. I'm not saying get rid of him now, I'm saying I hope retires when this season is over, that way the D would have the off season to learn the new play book, and I'm praying Butler or who ever takes over the D doesn't continue the same boring crap

 

Don't forget about the action figures.

 

Glad you asked ... :thumbsup:

 

This is a flashback to the hundreds of fire BA threads.

Careful what you wish for...

 

So, when the defense performs poorly it's LeBeau's fault, and when the defense performs well, it's thanks to the players?

Which is it? You just said yourself that with NO ADJUSTMENTS, Dick LeBeau's scheme held the Detroit Lions' potent offense to zero points for three out of four quarters, shutting out CJ completely in the final two. Sounds like his scheme is working to me! It didn't work in the 2nd quarter because, like you and Troy were kind enough to point out, the players played like crap - on defense and offense (don't forget the offense also had a huge meltdown in the 2nd, seemingly doing everything possible to give Detroit the ball back). Our players "played better" and shut down one of the best offenses in football. How many defenses can do that just by playing well? Not many. Most, if they play well, still give up a lot more than we did. We shut 'em down. And that's how DL's scheme works, when his players play well. If you don't believe me, I think they put up a stat during the game saying that his defences overall are #1 in Pass YPGA, Run YPGA, Points Allowed, Sacks, and Turnovers (I think that was it). Dear God, how many times have we heard that the Steelers' defense is done because they are so old and all their best players are gone? That's been going on for like 5 years, and he still keeps it together. Then the critics say, "Oh, okay... they did it this time, but next year they're REALLY done." You'd think he'd get some credit instead of blame. Even if this year is the year they finally crack, even if this year they play like crap from now until week 17, you all should be ashamed of yourselves. Not just for bashing a legend (I do that all the time). But for bashing one that doesn't deserve it. Decades of solid gold, and one bad year (with injuries, players lost, etc. mind you) and you come for his head. Those that are dumb enough to boast that you've been calling for Dick LeBeau's retirement for years... I don't even know what to say to you. Do you also brag that you called Troy Polamalu a bust his rookie season? Do you get how being proven wrong works?

 

I love how Dick LeBeau being defensive coordinator of the Steelers is considered a bandwagon to you.