Discussion on Todd Haley

But isn't this exactly what happened at the end of the season when Ben got back from his injury and the offense turned to crap? Thats what I seem to remember. The quick pass, quick slant offense that was so successful early on was abandoned and a BA type offense emerged....and most people blamed it on Ben.

So when the play breaks down and Arians is the OC its the bad play calling. But when the play breaks down and Haley is the OC, its Ben being stubborn.

Ok, got it!

 

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/baltimore-ravens-john-harbaugh-wanted-safety-ed-reed-gone-040213

Can you believe this crap? You can't go and make your star players mad by making them practice in pads mid-season and not being all touchy feely with them. If the players don't like the coaches, you're in for a locker split and a mutiny, I tell ya! I mean, how in the heck can you have either a head coach or an offensive coordinator that makes his players mad and doesn't coddle them and give them their way all the time and expect to win the Super Bo...oh wait a minute.

 

LOL, I see what you did there....

 

I think you are way over reacting.
Edit-It's almost like you want him to fail but if he does so does Tomlin. Or is TH just your early scapegoat should Tomlin not get the team to the playoffs again?

 

I could be wrong but I think you mean:

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I didn't see him being the ******* on the Steelers sideline or hear about it in the locker room that you adamantly point out. It's all hear say and rumors that you are running with in order to try and make some sort of point of which is irrelevant because he isn't going anywhere. We get it. You can't stand him. Hang it up. Get over it. It's also funny because at the same time you really don't see any faults with Tomlin which from time to time are blatantly clear.

8-8 Sucks. I hate it. You hate it. The other fans hate it. The Rooneys hate it but you still cannot hang it all all on the OC. For all we know. Big Ben and that ******* Haley might be having lunch together right now laughing about all the non sense.

 

They basically have a bromance as far as I'm concerned. I heard "Say you Say me" from Lionel Richie on the way to work today and I thought "man I bet Ben used to sing this to BA all the time". LOL!

 

Here's an interesting article. It's especially intriguing given all the people shouting like little girls that Haley "doesn't really utilize the players strengths". Notice what it says about Wallace. It's an unbiased article in that it's not written by a fan with a particular ax to grind.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...pittsburgh-would-be-bad-news-for-the-steelers

 

Who do you work harder for some you despise or someone you respect?

 

TE - I'm reading what you are saying but I still think that you are over reacting to this rookie OC hiring. I personally know first hand that Todd can rub people the wrong way. I can go back to bullying instances back in 7th grade if I choose to but I'm not going to. It doesn't make one iota of difference being that it was the norm back in those days as opposed to the politically correct era that we live in now. I'm just stating that it is my belief that you would rather see him crash and burn just to say I told you so. At least that is how it sounds in this thread to me.

I also believe that the Rooneys knew what they were getting with hiring Haley in that maybe they needed someone to step in and not be a buddy to Big Ben and to actually try and get him to play a more confined style that is not back yard sandlot fling it and wing it which will ultimately cost them their QB's durability and longevity. Protecting their investment if you will. No one can argue that it worked early in the season until Ben got crunched and then went back to his old style.

Blaming him for locker room issues is far fetched speculation at this point in the discussion IMO. Wallace wants the ball more. Well, who doesn't want to be the hero? Problem is when he got it thrown his way he often dropped the pig skin. Thats not going to bode well with any OC out there. Mendy is just a scatter brain indecisive runner behind a mediocre line and that is why they went to the RBBC which failed. There are 53 men on every NFL roster and 32 teams also have some sort of locker room issues. It's just human nature. Not all will get along.

 

I work for whoever my boss is and I do my job regardless. With a question like that it's almost like you think Ben might sabotage the team or something. Ben doesn't play for Haley. He plays for the Steelers. It shouldn't matter who the oc is. Ben should be giving everything he's got on every play.

 

Although me and Tomlin_Era are on different sides of this issue I can tell you that he wouldn't wanna see Haley fail because that means the Steelers would fail and that's where his allegiance lies first. As does mine. As does JackAttacks. As does Strummerfan. As does Dick Shiner. We just disagree on this one issue. Tomlin_Era was a big fan of Haley for a certain stretch of this season and his issues are based on honest concerns that he has personally with Haley. I really believe if Haley pans out that he'll be a cheerleader for him again. Just as I will step down as President of his fan club if he doesn't pan out. As of right now I am still in office though.

 

Also as JackAttack and myself have said when we talk about wanting to see an OC that will get up in a dude's face I think a reason I might want to see that as a fan is...A) It can cause a guy to dig a little deeper and B) It's a way for a fan to let a player have it vicariously. I honestly think there were times during Bradshaw's career where he would have flat out like to have flattened Chuck Noll but he done what he was told and our trophy case bares witness to that. I've even heard that Jack Lambert was hard to get along with but when it came to the field they were pros and were able to overcome their differences and again the trophy case bares witness and so does Canton. Phil Simms didn't like Bill Parcells but Parcells got more out of him than any other coach could have. Buddy Ryan and Mike Ditka couldn't stand each other but we all know the story of the 85 Bears. If those two could have sat aside their ego's who knows what heights that team could have reached. Maybe the same goes for Ben and Haley.

 

Unfortunately that's not the way it works. Ben is an employee just like you and it has nothing to do with Ben sabotaging the team. Although it could prevent Ben from extending his contract. WHen you lead people(haley's position) there are two ways to go about the task. YOu can yell,scream, and throw temper tantrums or you can earn your employees respect. If you go the Haley route your employees do their job;however, if you earn their respect they go the extra mile. I guarantee you if Haley had chosen the latter we never would have seen that Roethlisberger press conference where he through Haley under the bus. Personally I think Ben's comments were spot because Haley played directly into the defensive coordinator's hands, but it wouldn't have happened in a press conference. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying everything has to be all warm and fuzzy while they sit around singing kumbaya(sp?), but these are grown men earning millions not high school kids.

 

I just wanna know where any report is that Haley has lost his temper. I've not seen any. This is pure conjecture when people talk about this. Haley almost won the Super Bowl in AZ. He's not a scrub dude. Also people keep saying that Haley did that with Warner and Fitz. Well BA has been pretty lucky in his qb situations too. No pun intended.

 

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Conjecture my ass. You think he got a personal foul penalty from the sidelines for his pleasant demeanor? You can claim that he almost beat us, but he didn't and that's the end of it. For the love of god he's a career sub 500 coach. Todd Haley inherited a potential future hall of fame QB in Warner. Arians developed future hall of fame QB's in MAnning and Ben. Andrew Luck may turn out to be great, but there's a just as a good a chance that he doesn't. And to say/imply/infer that Arians didn't have some positive impact on him is foolish.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000...s-sideline-antics-wearing-thin-in-kansas-city