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Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by markthadon, Sep 10, 2012.

  1. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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    Re: Dick LeBeau needs to go

    There's at least a couple threads running on this topic. Merging...
     
  2. ScottChab

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    Re: Dick LeBeau needs to go

    2 defensive pro bowlers out when going against one of the best QBs to ever play the game and DL needs to go?

    I blame the execution more than LeBeau.
     
  3. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    He needs to be more creative with his blitzes send the cb's more often like in the blitzburgh days you can't just rely on Woodley and Harrison to get all the sacks.
     
  4. Blast Furnace

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    Re: Steelers organization I blame you spend some money

    Yes because that is working out so well for Dallas. It's one thing to question play calling it's another to question the most successful organization in Football.
     
  5. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Re: Dick LeBeau needs to go

    What about the beat down by Tebow that bounce us from the playoffs? Scheme wasn't to blame on that one either? The big cushions being given to receivers and constant no pressure definitely invites the right to question the game plan.
     
  6. steelers5859

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    Re: Steelers organization I blame you spend some money

    It's not working for Dallas or any team that just buys players. Check out the Eagles. But if would be nice if we brought in some cheap free agents for the oline. You can't tell me that their isn't somebody that got cut last week after the final cut down day that isn't better than Legursky and Adams.
     
  7. ScottChab

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    Re: Dick LeBeau needs to go

    I'm not saying DL doesn't share the blame but I blame poor execution for a big part of the playoff loss too.

    DL also has nothing to do wi the offense. What about their responsibility?
     
  8. Blast Furnace

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    Re: Dick LeBeau needs to go

    I actually thought the offense did is part last night, they kept the ball away from Manning for a long time, sooner or later the guy is going to get his touches, can't let him score in 3 seconds.

    As for the Te-blow game, yes, I'm pinning that all on bad D scheme, there was zero respect given to Tebow, a HS QB could have made those completions, there was no reason to defend Denver like that.
     
  9. Blast Furnace

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    Re: Steelers organization I blame you spend some money

    There probably isn't, and how great are they if they are being cut? Do you know of anyone out there? I really don't. And someone that has to come in and learn a new offense no less?
     
  10. ScottChab

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    Re: Dick LeBeau needs to go

    I actually thought the offense did is part last night, they kept the ball away from Manning for a long time, sooner or later the guy is going to get his touches, can't let him score in 3 seconds.

    As for the Te-blow game, yes, I'm pinning that all on bad D scheme, there was zero respect given to Tebow, a HS QB could have made those completions, there was no reason to defend Denver like that.[/quote:23dgbhwz]

    You can have the ball for 45 minutes but if you don't put points up, you aren't going to win... Especially when you are playing against a HOF QB. The red zone offense was horrific and the injuries to the o-line made the running game virtually non-existant.
     
  11. 322 Steeler Fan

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    Manning knew every blitz. You beat a guy like him with good fundamental basic defense and good execution.

    When Manning has as many receivers on the field as he did the defense has to at least play nickel to defend.

    THE STEELER'S DEFENSE TRANSITIONS TO NICKEL POORLY. I continuously preach this.

    4-3 nickel = 4 true d-lineman (2 d-ends, 2 tackles) and 2 linebackers
    3-4 nickel = 2 d-lineman (d-ends) and 4 linebackers

    THE STEELER'S NICKEL CANNOT GENERATE A PASS RUSH WITHOUT BRINGING THE HOUSE, AND IT STILL DOES NOT DO IT WELL. They are too small up front with only d-ends and outside linebackers at the line of scrimmage.

    The only solution I see is to either switch to a 3-3 nickel, which would take an incredible middle linebacker or, a 4-3 base defense. Otherwise a good and smart QB with 3+ receivers on the field will beat this defense.
     
  12. TheSteelHurtin2188

    TheSteelHurtin2188 Well-Known Member

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    Adams didnt do a horrible job at all i dont know where that is coming from most beat writers and steelers sites have him as one of the bright spots of last night. A rookie lt going in wit very little prep on the right side on theoad in denver with nobody to give him a break. I dont know what people excpect but not every rookie is pouncey in fact most take about three years to fully develop. From what i seen last night im pretty happy with his future
     
  13. Blast Furnace

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    Re: Dick LeBeau needs to go

    You can have the ball for 45 minutes but if you don't put points up, you aren't going to win... Especially when you are playing against a HOF QB. The red zone offense was horrific and the injuries to the o-line made the running game virtually non-existant.[/quote:30qgqotx]

    But they did put points up and if not for that TD after nearly sitting for a quarter, you're looking at a different game. Generally speaking, when you dominate TOP like they did, you win the game. And what horrific red zone? They were 2-4 and a floater away by Ben from being 3-4. No one is scoring 100% of the time in the red zone fellas.
     
  14. steelers5859

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    Re: Steelers organization I blame you spend some money

    There probably isn't, and how great are they if they are being cut? Do you know of anyone out there? I really don't. And someone that has to come in and learn a new offense no less?[/quote:3th5my0m]


    Well, James Harrison was cut several times. And so was Steve McClendon. They don't have to be great just serviceable. It has to be a serviceable veteran offensive lineman that is better than the two we had on the right side. Starks came in later and learned the playbook without any OTAs and one preseason game. I don't know any off the type of my head but out of the 600 cut, it got to be at least 4 olineman out there.
     
  15. Coastal Steeler

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    You guys don't think playing a mile high didn't have anything to do with the way our guys played?
     
  16. ScottChab

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    Re: Dick LeBeau needs to go

    You can have the ball for 45 minutes but if you don't put points up, you aren't going to win... Especially when you are playing against a HOF QB. The red zone offense was horrific and the injuries to the o-line made the running game virtually non-existant.[/quote:2mr9g7pt]

    But they did put points up and if not for that TD after nearly sitting for a quarter, you're looking at a different game. Generally speaking, when you dominate TOP like they did, you win the game. And what horrific red zone? They were 2-4 and a floater away by Ben from being 3-4. No one is scoring 100% of the time in the red zone fellas.[/quote:2mr9g7pt]

    1st and goal from the 3 and you get a FG? Horrific. The floater from Ben? Horrific.

    If not for that TD... But they did get a TD. And even if they didn't give up the TD, it was still a loss.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not on the ledge ready to jump after 1 game but I think it is wrong to put this all on LeBeau and say he needs to go.
     
  17. Blast Furnace

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    Re: Dick LeBeau needs to go

    But they did put points up and if not for that TD after nearly sitting for a quarter, you're looking at a different game. Generally speaking, when you dominate TOP like they did, you win the game. And what horrific red zone? They were 2-4 and a floater away by Ben from being 3-4. No one is scoring 100% of the time in the red zone fellas.[/quote:15e3xn0y]

    1st and goal from the 3 and you get a FG? Horrific. The floater from Ben? Horrific.

    If not for that TD... But they did get a TD. And even if they didn't give up the TD, it was still a loss.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not on the ledge ready to jump after 1 game but I think it is wrong to put this all on LeBeau and say he needs to go.[/quote:15e3xn0y]

    I look at the over all picture, they were 2 - 4 and actually, Ben didn't float it and that was the problem but that wasn't because of bad play calling, Heath was wide open and ate a stack of pancakes, Ben just blew it. So yeah, easily 3-4 in the red zone, don't want to hear shoulda woulda coulda, that was a TD if Ben just gets a little air under it. I'm fine with the redzone play last night, not the first team not to get in from the 3 and won't be the last. I'm actually fine with the overall offense last night, I saw enough positives to feel good things will happen this season. Now the defense scares me but it was week one against Manning at Mile High, hopefully they come out with a much stronger effort next week.

    And we don't know if they still lose if they don't give up the quick TD to Manning and co, we don't know how the game plays out if that doesn't happen and thats my point, you control the clock like that, you usually win.

    DL has me second guessing him but he's earned the right to see what he can do this season, I'm certainly not calling for him to be fired. I think he will retire after the season and I will be fine with that. I loved Cowher too and was fine with him retiring, after a while change is good.
     
  18. noitall0605

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    Evolution .... heck, blame Tomlin too. He alledgedly cut his teeth on defense yet i dont see any of his input or modifications made to the D.

    As many have posted , it seems against strong QB's who can make pre snap reads that the Steelers are clueless on defense. Offenses change with the years. Many teams went to defensive packages that had some of what the Steelers did well. Teams have seen it a bunch and studied it, had it in their own programs. Time to change it up. Change to a 4-3, make changes to the 3-4- i dont care, but realize there is a reason the Steelers dont really force sacks and turnovers anymore. Offenses seemed to have figured up how to match up against them.
     
  19. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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    You can find that thread a few topics down. viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3783
     
  20. D0bre Shunka

    D0bre Shunka Well-Known Member

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