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Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by mac daddyo, Oct 30, 2015.

  1. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    http://www.steelersdepot.com/2015/1...rger-possibly-being-rusty-in-first-game-back/

    i hate that articles like this are written. we are far from having all our weapons back. the O-line is a valuable weapon that is nowhere near back. it's also a major concern. this reminds me of our head coach and front offices thinking of any warm body will do on the O-line.

    al is playing OK so far but we also saw last week that he can be run around for a strip sack. wallace has had his struggles as well. foster is his same old self in that his footwork is slow and he is unable to readjust himself to late blitzer's coming in untouched to whack our qb's.


    gilbert usually needs some help from a TE and is going up against the league leader in sacks. yes we have hashed over gilbert playing better but in all the tape i watch, gilbert still struggles in pass blocking after initial contact. maybe not sacks but pressures and guys getting off his block and coming in free. ben can't move well enough to evade these right now.

    al may need some help also. it's either going to be from a TE or RB staying in to help and sometimes both. throw in fosters lack of late blitzer recognition which will require at least a RB's help and it just takes away a lot of our so called all weapons back scenario.

    all this takes our weapons away in having to use them in pass protection for our slightly gimpy qb that is not up to his usual mobility in the pocket.

    one thing is for certain, we must at all costs protect #7, so it will limit us greatly. :cool:
     
  2. Thigpen82

    Thigpen82 Bitter optimist

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    I dunno, mac. It seems like Haley was just giving the media gloss that a coach needs to.

    In terms of throwing any body into the line, I tend to agree more - it seems the FO has done it's turn of investing in high round picks, and because of the way some of them played out, we're chronically short on depth. You haven't even mentioned the problems Wallace was having at Centre, and the effect of that on the run game.

    I do think that once Ben is back, we'll start to see more time created by better executed quick slants, using Williams and Bell out at the same time, etc. etc.
     
  3. PWP

    PWP Well-Known Member

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    Yes you are spot on . The RB'S and the TE'S will have to help in pass protection . We will need to pass and run from the same sets as much as possible . We will also need to pass on running downs ...The best set would be the 3 by 1 1 RB set ,it would be better to spread them out and force them to show their hand .
     
  4. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Come on Mac, you know they are talking about skilled position players. The line is always the unsung heroes and a main cog in any teams success but I for one am glad to have all our weapons back on the field. The sooner Ben can get back into rhythm the better off they will be.

    Having Ben back means they can't stack the box anymore either. There will be a heavy does of Bell plus quick passes to limit any pass rush and help the line out.
     
  5. thorn058

    thorn058 Well-Known Member

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    If this is the same Bengals defense I expect to see this all day I don't care if AV is in there with Wallace the Bengals couldn't stop it I'd keep going after them.
     
  6. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    i did mention wallace has had his struggles. i've talked about he and foster next to each other compounds the problems in the past. both are slow of foot which creates problems. :cool:
     
  7. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    i know who they are talking about bf, but the o-line is a weapon in itself. these skill guys will be needed to help protect our biggest weapon. more so until he's back at full speed. it really limits bens security blanket target in heath. if not heath then bell staying in. protecting a wounded qb with just 5 is not what we need this week at least not all our weapons without beachum and pouncey. big difference in weaponry with this group. :cool:
     
  8. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    they are running that with beachum and pouncey. beachum gets out to that LB because of his quickness. again this just shows not all our weapons are available. that's all i'm saying. it changes what we can do and how well we do it. :cool:
     
  9. thorn058

    thorn058 Well-Known Member

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    They will run it with AV too because it will help him immensely Mac. Maybe put in Spaeth and WIll J as well and just run that play. Make PWP happy and get DHB involved on that side to block maybe. The gameplan has to be quick passes and strong runs early to suck in those guys to defend the run and then get some favorable matchups with Brown and Bryant middle to deep as the game wears on. Don't ask Ben to move a lot get that ball and boom throw, boom throw,
     
  10. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    bringing in the heavy package also limits who's on the field. that's part of what i am talking about. bringing in willj or nix or spaeth leaves someone out and possibly two out. having to keep one or two guys in to help pass block limits guys out in the patterns. i do see a lot of max protect having to be run because we can't afford to get ben pounded on. if we were at full 0-line stength we could run some more 5 linemen protections. they will be limited now, so it preys on our full offense to be at full strength and all weapons available as we would all like them to defend.

    ps: we know it will be better now with ben but still not all the weapons we want and not all weapons available. at least not what we thought coming out of camp. the o-line is a very valuable weapon to have is what the post is geared at. i just think it was overlooked in this article and how it can limit us into being all we could be. :cool:
     
  11. Busman

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    Bell is that good that he can make plays and can cut quicker than I have seen in a very long time, if need be. The LB at 10:01 is frozen but if you look at the hole the lineman created I personally feel like it would NOT be a good idea for the last guy to committ.. He does that Bell hits the hole and is gone

    Love the commentary though. lol
     
  12. Wardismvp

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    People wonder why Heath Miller doesn't catch the amount of balls other
    TE do? That's because he has to stay into help out the OL with there blocking assignments.
     
  13. Thigpen82

    Thigpen82 Bitter optimist

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    Aha - missed that on first read, sorry mac.
     
  14. CK 13

    CK 13 Well-Known Member

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    Nice read Mac. The Beachum loss stings. Heath was in helping AV last week. I see the game plan with Ben more in shotgun set for this contest. Let the weapons do the work.
     
  15. defva

    defva Well-Known Member

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    Well , bell is a special runner and I believe he is the X factor in these games
     
  16. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    he is only part of the equation though. he's gone over 100 yards in a couple of games and we still lost last weeks. it's more of where and when we use him and if the passing game is clicking to open him up so they can't key on any one aspect of our offense. that is our biggest asset. multiple weapons.:cool:
     
  17. MadtownDruankard

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    That is one of our favorite run plays and with out Beachum we can't run it effectively because Villenueva can't get down field that quick. So the BenGals don't have to worry about it. But this is were I think we make coaching mistakes... we just try to run it over and over again even if our players can't execute it.
     
  18. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    yep, thats what i mean when i said we are not at full strength on offense. av does do a decent job run blocking though. just we lose a lot of mobility with he and pouncey out. i agree we need to make some revisions to make our current guys more effective.:cool:
     
  19. thorn058

    thorn058 Well-Known Member

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    Are you guys watching the same video I am? The only guy that moves past the LOS is Foster which in and of itself is surprising. Decastro pulls and seals the outside, Miller either seals the second outside blitzer or the inside and when Will J is in there he takes the inside guy. Beachum doesn't move much beyond taking his man. Pouncey's mobility doesn't come into play. So today if they run this play AV has to handle his man which he is capable of, Wallace hold the line and let DD and Miller just open the road.
     
  20. MadtownDruankard

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    sorry I thought that was Beachum taking on the deep LB.
     

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