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Could the Steelers lose a late round draft pick due to Sidelinegate?

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by SteelerJJ, Dec 1, 2013.

  1. BobbyBiz

    BobbyBiz Well-Known Member

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    It was quick, wasn't it?
     
  2. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Agree with this 100%
     
  3. blountforcetrauma

    blountforcetrauma Well-Known Member

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    Here is a question I would like to have the answer to but I'm not exactly sure how to go about getting it. Tomlin said in his presser that he "always" watches the jumbotron on returns and I know that might be hyperbole but with a statement like that I would think that he probably does MOST of the time. So I would like to know if that's actually true. Because if so then that makes his case a little more believable that he was watching and lost his place. But if NOT then I think that's pretty indicative of guilt. Still to take a DRAFT PICK is pretty dang extreme. I say fine the crap out of him and maybe even suspend him if you want but to take a pick and ESPECIALLY from a franchise as snakebit as we have been lately is really unfair to a lot of innocent people. I personally think Tomlin knew what he was doing and I think the reaction on the sidelines of the coaches behind him also makes him look kinda guilty too.
     
  4. 12to88

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    Problem is, few Americans know what break-in you're talking about. So the whole gate suffix issue is further problematic because nobody knows what the heck it means.
     
  5. 12to88

    12to88 Well-Known Member

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    I wouldn't. For whatever reason, Goodell really likes to make an example of the Steelers.

    Harrison hits Cribbs...new fines, penalties, and suspensions for helmet hits.
    Roethlisberger is accused of rape...NFL changes the standard for off-field behavior and Ben is suspended a ridiculous 6 games.
    Now this.
     
  6. blountforcetrauma

    blountforcetrauma Well-Known Member

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    I'm a political junkie and I've studied Watergate and I LOVE watching the hearings. LOL. I'm a pretty boring guy. I actually find them riveting.
     
  7. ScottChab

    ScottChab Well-Known Member

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    Whoa is us.

    You a gambling man?
     
  8. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    It's all Forrests fault.
     
  9. blountforcetrauma

    blountforcetrauma Well-Known Member

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    Yeah they must've been looking for a fusebox or something. LOL. Also a lot of people don't know this but the real reason they broke in there is because of Daniel Ellsberg stealing the "Pentagon Papers" and they were afraid there were spies in the gvt so Nixon got really paranoid. There was no way he was going to lose that election that year so the fact that they did the multiple break ins is even more mind boggling. So really we have Daniel Ellsberg to blame for all these things being called "gate" and I bet if he knew that so many things were gonna wind up being named "gate" ad nauseum he would never have stolen those papers. LOL.
     
  10. SteelerGlenn

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    This is a quote from Jacoby Jones
    "I eased up," Jones told NFL Network's "NFL AM" on Friday. "At the time when I was looking at him, I was like, 'I ain't going to run through him.' Everybody was like, 'You should've ran over him,' and I'm like, 'Man, good God, I'm not that type of person.'"

    Sounds like Tomlin affected the play?
     
  11. santeesteel

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    Now that everyone knows what the outcome was, it's interesting. At the time, especially for someone in high school, it was a snore fest.
     
  12. blountforcetrauma

    blountforcetrauma Well-Known Member

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    Yeah I was negative 8 years old at the time. LOL.
     
  13. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Damn fuse box! I'm still laughing about your bubba impersonation, message board trolls, internet trolls, treasure trolls.
     
  14. blountforcetrauma

    blountforcetrauma Well-Known Member

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    LOL. I could really hear him saying that while scrubbing a huge floor with a toothbrush. HA!
     
  15. Lizard72

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    For those that say Cowher wasn't on the field. Sure looks like it to me, more than Tomlin as a matter of fact and definitely on purpose!

    THf5bo.jpg
     
  16. Ray D

    Ray D Staff Member Mod Team

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    Interesting. I don't remember him stepping on the field. (Of course, I was sitting all the way across the field from the play)

    Either way, there's nobody around to catch him anyway. ;)
     
  17. Thigpen82

    Thigpen82 Bitter optimist

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    Yes, great "linebacker instinct" there as well. No wonder he played for Cleveland.
     
  18. GB_Steel

    GB_Steel Well-Known Member

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    Ok, so it's been shown that Cowher disgraced the organization as much as Tomlin did and should be quickly re-hired so that he can be fired immediately for the all of the shame and tarnished image that he heaped upon this franchise. Now that we have that established, I’d like to touch on the debate of Tomlin’s motion of stepping onto the field being incidental as part of moving out of the way versus pre-determined as part of consciously impeding the runner.

    I notice that Tomlin is standing straight up, with all prime moving joints of his lower body in the fully extended position (hip and knee), effectively killing any chance he has at an explosive movement. If he wanted to get out of the way at this point he’d have four options:

    1) Do a stop-drop-roll somersault to the bench area. This would be the quickest action yet most unlikely, as it’s not very self-preserving (hence not instinctual). We tend to only see people employ this move if they are trained to use it and are expecting something to dodge(MMA fighters, dodging incoming fire, etc.) I can’t really recall anyone walking along a sidewalk utilizing a lateral drop-roll as an evasive technique when they’re startled by a bicyclist speeding up from behind.

    2) Quickly and forcefully extend both of his ankles with a slight push to the left. This would allow him to pretty much not get out of the way, but it’s a movement available to him. I don’t think his calves are trained appropriately to move 220+ pounds of middle-aged man out of the way fast enough to avoid anticipated collision. Not a likely response, not only because of its low chance of success, but who thinks to do a bilateral toe raise as an avoidance maneuver in a startle situation?

    3) Squatting down in order to flex his knees and hips so that he can explosively jump to the side (like option 2, but with the right joint/muscle groups.) This isn’t too bad of an option, but the problem is that this is a relatively slow process and not an instinctual movement pattern in a startle reflex. If he was playing dodgeball and could see the ball coming from a distance, he’d have the time and wherewithal to drop into a squat and jump out of the way.

    4) Increase his athletic base so that he can push off of his right leg for a lateral move to the left. Like option #3, the goal of this is to flex his hip and knee so that he can actually move forcefully. But unlike option #3 this is more likely to be used as a startle reflex, as it’s relatively quick and any untrained idiot has the capacity to flail around ungracefully until they have a better platform and position to push off of. Heck, we see this happen on every play in the NFL, as all but the most efficient receivers in the league take a false step off the line of scrimmage. Why are we now faulting Tomlin for doing the same?

    I guess there is a 5[SUP]th[/SUP] option: he steps onto the field in order to trip Jacoby Jones and goes through an elaborate dance move in order to get it done. Like I said in an earlier post, I find this hard to believe, but some of you don’t, which is cool, but don’t twist scientific fact in order to attempt to solidify your opinion.
     
    Last edited: Dec 2, 2013
  19. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    The defense rest your honor.
     
  20. SteelerGlenn

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    Who cares what Cower did? What does it really have to do with Tomlin?
     
  21. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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    Right, what Cowher did a decade and a half ago has nothing to do with what Tomlin did.
     
  22. CANTON STEEL

    CANTON STEEL Well-Known Member

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    Good post.
     
  23. CANTON STEEL

    CANTON STEEL Well-Known Member

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    It's relevant to the discussions in this post...
     
  24. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    You should just stop arguing with me Glenn, quit while you're behind :lolol:

    Sarcasm ;)
     
  25. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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    No sarcasm intended, BF. I see it as a sort of a red herring.
     

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