Colon moving to LG

Thats my point they got adams said we can slide gilbert back to the right colon inside and adams to the left side. If their plan was to bring starks back there would be no talk of moving gilbert to the left and they would have told colon right away you are at lg now when the season was over. i like starks but only at the vet min and swing back up. He cant run block. When we went to the super bowl against green bay we were #2 in the league running right and like 20+ when going to the left. thats a huge difference and its becuase starks sucks at run blocking.

 

Could also have to do with Kemo pulling to the right on the Steelers bread and butter trap.....vs NEVER pulling left as Decastro will now be doing


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Thats true but still starks isnt a run blocker we still sucked going left

 

I’m thrilled they moved him to guard, but I’m not sure about moving him to the left side. I think it will ultimately depend on if they want to continue running heavy to the right, or if they want to be more balanced. Colon is a great straight ahead power blocker, but I am doubtful he’ll be much of a puller. Can he be as good as Kemo? Of course, but so could I. Will he be as good as another guard at pulling, like Foster? I’m not sure. I think he’ll have trouble keeping his feet, a lot like Kemo.

Whichever side they put these guys on, Colon and DeCastro, they will be at their best when DeCastro pulls behind Colon. If the projected OL is -- Adams / Colon / Pouncey / DeCastro / Gilbert – that means that our top puller will be going behind Colon (great news) and Adams, who I think is sort of a question mark in the power running game right now. Going the other way, Colon will be pulling behind DeCastro and Gilbert, which should be a good tandem. I think this way balances us out, but it won’t make us extremely dominant on one side, like it would if we had DeCastro pulling behind Colon and Gilbert. But hey, we should be embracing balance. This is exactly the kind of thing we didn’t get with BA.

However, my other concern is that Colon moving to RG would be a much smaller move, and easier for him. DeCastro moving from RG to LG seems like an easier switch, in addition to being something we were likely to have done anyway. I’m wondering if they won’t switch these two guys once everyone is settled in. Maybe next year.

 

Snack as I stated we are putting Colon on the left side for good reason.....Most Teams are stacked on D on that side for pass rush and usually the best run stoppers play on the Offenses right side......Also most Teams have trouble pulling left.but Decastro is great at it...

It is ideal to be a heavy run left Team with a right handed QB.....I am sure this is what Haley is thinking ...Being able to pull left opens up a whole ne package in the passing game.....I am very familar with the Waggle game and the prime target is the TE.....So just by doing the math we can see the Haley plan taking shape.....He Loves Miller,he Loves the PA ,and he knows how to force a D into bad situations...

By getting Ben on the edge off of PA and running good triangle routes from the WR'S we should be playing 4 on 3 off the Waggle a bunch......If the D slides that way to protect the Waggle then they are a man short on the run side.....

 

Kemo was great at pulling his knees are shot now so not so much now

 

Great move by the Steelers. The fact that they told Colon after they drafted DeCastro made it quite clear that Gilbert would be staying on the right side along with Decastro. Not moving Gilbert to the left side is a major plus for the team. Gilbert did very well last year and will only get better this year on the right side. Now, all of this Starks talk is nonsense. They don't need to start taking steps backwards by bring him back. His time is up, see you later Gator (Starks)!

Also putting Decastro at RG is very smart on their part also because he is a natural at that spot. He can pull both ways also. So look for him to be the do it all guy on the line. IMHO, they will be a solid group this year and Ben will have his biggest year ever! Remember I said it, look for our offense to be very good this year.

This is Ben's ninth year and I see SuperBowl win!!!

 

So, all those who stated that Colon would NO WAY move to guard since they are paying him tackle money, please step forward

 

I never thought they would do it. But really think it makes us good on the line. He was average as a tackle, but could be really good in there as a guard. He is an athletic guard and so so athletic tackle. Great move and I think it has taken a new cordinator to help make these changes.

 

I actually thought if Adams was going to start at LT, we should cut Colon and save some loot. He's probably a good insurance policy for this year, given the youth we'll have on the line.

 

Unfortunatly that time has come and gone I believe. They cut Colon now and they saving is minimal and the bulk of his deal still applies to the cap the same for Hampton as well. I could be wrong though.

 

you are correct. maybe next year if he doesn't fair as well at LG. more of his cap hit will be absorbed. he did stretch it out though with his re-structure. the tenders of foster or legs could come into play for extra money though. with the colon move someone else may lose their job.

 

This gives up stability in the middle of the line right as camp opens. He is going to be the starting LG.

We will have backups set at the guard positions/center as well with Essex/Legursky/Foster.

The tackle position may still be a question mark, we may not know who is going to be where, but I think there will be come competition still. Essex may get a shot at being a backup swing tackle for game days. Starks may still end up at camp as well.

If we leave camp with:

Adams, Colon, Pouncey, DeCastro, Gilbert, Essex, Legursky, Foster, and Starks as our olineman on the roster....how much better is that than last year? Last year we had J. Scott, Legursky, Pouncey, Gilbert, Colon, Essex, Foster and who else. This line is going to be much, much better.

 

I think this means the end of Essex in a steeler uniform. There isn't room for his "versitility" anymore. Beacham already may be a better option than Essex and with the posibility of neither Legs nor Foster in a starting role, they are your new backups.

 

I dont see how its the end of Essex...Beachum hasnt done anything to earn a spot yet. Essex can backup ALL 5 OL positions, nobody else can. If you cut him that only leaves J Scott as the main OT backup...and I dont think any of us want this, haha.

 

I don't know why everyone is hateing on Starks. Without Starks last year, we would have been doom from the start. And it wasn't because of injuries, it was because J. Scott suck so bad they had to get someone in there that could do the job. And once Starks got in he solidified our oline better than what I thought it would be. Starks has been a stable through a couple of superbowl teams and has been one of our better olineman not named Pouncey. Grading our guys based on last year, Starks is third with Gilbert and Pouncey ahead of him and to be he wasn't that far behind.

If Starks is COMPLETELY healthy, bring him back and give Adams time to learn the position. I'm not sold on someone that is 6'5" 330 lbs and only can do 19 reps on the bench. I know that is not the only criteria, but COME ON MAN! Daniel Sepulvada can do more reps than that.

 

Starks is injured. That's one more injury to his long list of injuries, at his age each injury is harder and harder to come back from. I read somewhere that he won't be able to even run until June or July and he also has a history with his weight. If best case scenario is he's running in June he only has a short window to get back into playing shape, set up a tryout for teams to show he's ready, and then come in and compete for a spot. Don't see that happening.

It's time to look forward not back. Adams first round potential you want to sit him a year? Why when we need him NOW. The Steeler way has always been sit our first rounders behind someone and learn for a year. Well that's a luxury we can't afford at LT this year because there's NO ONE TO LEARN FROM. He's gonna have to step up big time, which includes getting strong and learning on the fly. I think he can do it though. I was one of the guys happy Starks came back last year and was really surprised at how well he did. But 3rd best in a patchwork line that had 2 undrafted free agents starting is nothing at all impressive.

 

According to Ed B from the PG Adams WILL get the first crack at the LT spot...which would mean Gilbert staying at RT unless Adams fails.

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2012/05/re ... ckle-spot/

 

I believe that there are 2 or 3 here:

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I really hope Adams shows his true potential but he's come in with a lot of questions mark for someone who is suppose to take care of the blindside of our franchise. Starting a rookie at one of the most important positions on the team is asking for trouble.

I would only want Starks back if he is COMPLETELY healthy and I believe he is only 30 years old. And played well last year. I would take Starks COMPLETELY healthy over Adams questionable past any day.

 

Pouncey did not bench at the combine; probably because he is bad at it. He plays well.

 

did you watch all the games last year? everybody dumps on scott for a bad game when max had a couple just as bad, but you want him back? why? he got humiliated in a couple of games. denver for one. that game was as bad as any scott played in. i just don't get it.

 

I do not get the negativity about a rookie with 1st round grading starting at LT as a big mistake, when I see absoultely no way he could do worse than Scott played at LT. If Ben gets sacked alot, it will most likely be his fault vice the O-line's this year, even with 2 rookies.

 

Everyone has a bad game. Especially in a postion where you are isolated and there is no way for someone to help cover up your mistakes. Starks hasn't played with a suitable line mate next to him in a few years. Probably since Faneca left.

I'm not a HUGH Starks fan but what I do know is when he came in after sitting on the couch for a few weeks our oline was better. A