Colin Cowherd vs. Mike Tomlin 2.0: The Battle Rages On

I live near Philly, I don't think Eagle fans are looking at it like you say. In a way with Doug Peterson (coming from Reid's system, also playing for Reid back in 99) they are getting a chip off the old block. I think most Eagle fans see potential in Peterson, they have something to look forward to.

Andy Reid is a quality NFL head coach. He took a complete garbage organization and turned it into a gold standard during his tenure. It was very unfortunate for him that he didn't win one. He is probably one of if not the hardest working head coach in the league next to belichek. I always suspected that he burned himself out by the end of seasons when he came so close all those years, reason maybe he didnt get it done.

Every coach has an expiration date. After what he did for that franchise I think he was taxed and didnt have anymore to give. It didnt help that he had personal issues (son dying, the other son jail time) toward the end. His departure was mutual for everyone. Didn't he take a year off before KC?

 

Agree with this and yeah Peterson did come from Reid's system but I guess I am talking more about before then the Kelly era.

 

Maybe shouldn't have called cover 0 but, I'll never blame Lebeau for anything.

 

Yeah why are we pinning 100% of this on Lebeau? Doesnt the head coach have every right to overturn a call the way he sees fit? They are both at fault then.

 

I've always felt like the seeds were sewn for that defeat in the Cleveland game when Ben hurt his ankle and then for some asinine reason was allowed to play in SF the next week when he could literally barely even walk. He was still not even close to healthy when we went in to that game and we paid the price.

 

Coaches with at least 10 seasons and a better winning % than Mike Tomlin while also having at least 2 Conference Championships and 1 Super Bowl:

Vince Lombardi
Bill Belichick
Don Shula

End of list...


Coaches with at least 10 seasons and a better Playoff winning % than Mike Tomlin while also having at least 2 Conference Championships and 1 Super Bowl:

Vince Lombardi
Tom Flores
Bill Walsh
Joe Gibbs
Bill Belichick
George Seifert
Chuck Noll
Tom Coughlin
Hank Stram
Pete Carroll
Bill Parcells
Bill Cowher
Mike Shannahan
Tom Landry

The company Tomlin keeps speaks for itself...

 

Those stats don't tell the whole story. for example Belichick has a losing record when he doesn't have Brady starting.

I'd like to see coaching stats when paired with probowl and HOF QB's. The issue with Tomlin has always been 2 things... #1 lack of playoff wins the last 6 years with a HOF QB and other elite talent around him. #2 propensity to lose to bad teams with clearly superior talent.

 

In Don Shula's last 10 seasons... he missed the playoffs 6 times, and only won 3 playoff games... with Dan marino

The stats validate that Tomlin is a very good head coach. There are those that will never agree. They are simply wrong.

 

I just said I'll never blame anything on Lebeau. Ike should've got the job done. Maybe he should go back to "Swaggin' U" to learn better man to man defense.

 

Playoff games are decided in such minute and sometimes flukey ways...

If Big Ben doesn't make a miraculous tackle... Bill Cowher maybe never wins a super bowl, would that change whether he was a very good coach or not?

The Immaculate Reception changes the course of Steelers history.

the 3:16 Tebow game.

Is Tom Coughlin a very good coach if not for a blind heave and miraculous David Tyree catch?

The Ravens win a Super Bowl.... by getting past the Broncos on a game saving Hail Mary.

The Refs save the Pats vs Raiders, and start a Brady/Belichick Dynasty

What if the Pats had Norwood instead of Vinatieri?

These singular plays decided super bowl champions... and have very little to nothing to do with coaching. Coaching ability in measured in volume and consistency of success... and Tomlin stands among the greats in those measures.

 

All very true, coaching is also dependent upon who the management brings in. Good coaching is evident by how you handle set backs. Some players / coaches / teams never recover. Others play through it and continue to be respectable. I thought the year they started 0-4 and nearly made the playoffs was one of the better years for Tomlin as a coach. He didn't let them quit, he held them together and they persevered. This year, losing 4 straight, you could say the same thing. Sure, there is a fluke play here or there that changes the outcome of a game and a season. The Tomlin led Steelers have overcome those set backs. His first 4 years were awesome, that's even with a down year in 2009. These last three years, in spite of injuries, have also been very good. But the final chapter has not yet been written. Certainly this team has the potential to win multiple super bowls before Ben retires. If they do, the Tomlin haters will look a little silly.

 

Chuck Noll won 10 games ONCE in his final 12 seasons, he missed the playoffs 8 times, he won 2 playoff games in that entire time span.

Why didn't he develop more steel curtain players? You can't say **** like, "Tomlin only won with Cowher's players" and at the same time excuse Noll for the rosters of the 80s.

The reality is that Tomlin haters have created ridiculous parameters for judging Tomlin... because they continue to be wrong about his ability as a head coach.

 

I agree, I also think it's important to acknowledge that those middle seasons (8-8) were complete franchise rebuilds. The affects of the cap, due to keeping a contender together, along with the aging nature of that contending roster... were the drivers of the 8-8 seasons that followed. That 2011 team, was the last hurrah for one era. Tomlin deserves credit for the speed and success of the rebuild. 2 painful years is a lot less than most aged out contenders go through (See New Orleans, the Giants, etc).

 

Cowherd is an idiot period. That guy just blabs and blabs nothing but nonsense. A lot of these sports TV shows do but he's in the top 5 of being full of nonsense.

 

Absolutely, just look at the money they had tied up in Woodley alone

 

I think our under-performance over the past 5 years or so was due to the transition from being an "old and slow" veteran team on defense and the switch of offensive coordinators which IMO Ben hated for two years in which we went 8-8. We also drafted in 1st round for years to rebuild offensive line.

The rebuild on defense and OL is over and now we should be reaping the reward. It`s time to start winning Super Bowls again and if we do not, then Tomlin should get more criticism.

 

most of these sports guys do fer sure

 

So only the coach that wins the super bowl shouldn't get criticized? I think we need a more long term approach than that.

 

I do enjoy how quiet the hater crowd got the last few weeks....

 

Makes me kind of sad actually.


The noise that they sometimes made for their squeaky toy was humorous; hilarious even.

 

Yes, that's true. And your point? You named one coach with a HOF QB. You saying there's only one coach that had 1 playoff win in 6 years with a HOF qb? If that's the case Tomlin is worse then we thought.

Shula's 10 seasons with 3 playoff wins and a SB loss with Dan Marino at QB is a total failure, especially when compared to his previous 20 years before Marino showed up.

Shula's best years were in the 60's and 70's where he earned coach of the year 5X. 2 SB's and a NFL championship. That's why Shula is a HOF coach. Not because of his years with Marino. We are also now in the age of the QB. Once passing started taking over the game league wide good QB's won playoff games.

Somewhere there has to be a win/loss record for coaches with HOF or even all pro QB's. Shula's record wasn't good either. How about Manning, Brady, Farve, Young, Montana, Aikman, Bradshaw, etc. You can probably add another dozen to this list. I'm pretty confident 1 very lucky win in 6 years doesn't stack up to the rest. And the QB's that didn't win, were playing for coaches that weren't very respected.

 

Amazing what winning football does. THAT is what a head coach is judged on.

 

from 1991 - 1996 with John Elway had only one playoff victory, also whats with this 1 playoff victory in 6 yrs stuff. They went to the Super Bowl following the 2010 season so its won't be 6 yrs until after this season is over.